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FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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> Would you ban ad supported apps? There's no need to ban ad supported apps when you can just ban the practice of using ads targeting users based on individual characteristics.

You trust the adtech companies to pinky promise to totally not do that anymore?

how about jailing CEO's of companies who do this?

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Who's selling the data is the far more serious issue here. Behind this is a remarkably well-structured syndicate. The supply chain looks something like this: consumer apps embed ad SDKs → those SDKs feed location signals into RTB ad exchanges → surveillance-oriented firms sit in the RTB pipeline and harvest bid request data even without winning auctions → that data flows to aggregators who don't have any direct relat…

I find myself uninstalling every app unless I really need it and use it. It's amazing how many apps just sit around in your life over time. get them off your phone

I am mostly back to my phone being with ironfox and using it for everything instead of apps. My bank works fine with it still and so far no issues with other things I need.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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You trust the adtech companies to pinky promise to totally not do that anymore?

how about jailing CEO's of companies who do this?

I’m not sure that’s how corporate blame works. The ceo signed off on the CIOs proposal to streamline data analytics logs via WeTotallyWontSiphonOffYourDataAndSellIt incorporated for user improvement purposes, which happens to be owned by the CFO’s brother in law. How were the CIO and CEO to know that a third party was selling off the data, and how was that third party to know that the sale of the data to another party who then onsold the data to the fbi would be illegal?

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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I'm game for throwing rocks at Apple and Google, but I don't get this one. > consumer apps embed ad SDKs → those SDKs feed location signals into RTB ad exchanges → surveillance-oriented firms sit in the RTB pipeline and harvest bid request data even without winning auctions Would you ban ad supported apps? Assuming the comment you're responding to is realistic, I'm not sure how the OS is to blame.

This is really simple to explain: Apple does not let you restrict app network access[1] You have no ability to know who your app is connecting to, and you cannot select or prevent it. [1] except maybe the cellular data toggle

Settings > Privacy & Security > App Privacy Report will at least show domains contacted by each app.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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> This is very different from buying your data from a company especially when the user consented to their location being tracked. No, it's not 'very different'. When you sign a cellular contract you consent to all sorts of tracking and data collection, but it still requires a warrant for government to obtain.

You don’t actually consent (per-se) in most cases. Hence the warrant. If you consented, no warrant would be required.

Consenting to data being collected by a company does not mean you consent to a search by the government of said data.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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You don’t actually consent (per-se) in most cases. Hence the warrant. If you consented, no warrant would be required.

Consenting to data being collected by a company does not mean you consent to a search by the government of said data.

As noted, the company can sell it however. Which is even easier than a search, which typically requires paperwork.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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> This is very different from buying your data from a company especially when the user consented to their location being tracked. No, it's not 'very different'. When you sign a cellular contract you consent to all sorts of tracking and data collection, but it still requires a warrant for government to obtain.

Requesting != Buying When this goes back to the courts you can come back to this comment and still be angry you are wrong.

Requesting or buying, the end result is the same; the government is obtaining historical location information on private citizens. Arguably, buying it is worse too. At least with a warrant there is ostensibly probable cause to support a search. Circumventing a warrant and buying in bulk means they're searching data of citizens not even suspected of crimes. And you're probably right that the courts (government) are not going to prevent the FBI (a government agency) from doing their job. That doesn't mean I'm wrong in my assessment. It means that you base your idea of correctness on an obviously flawed legal system.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Consenting to data being collected by a company does not mean you consent to a search by the government of said data.

As noted, the company can sell it however. Which is even easier than a search, which typically requires paperwork.

They can, yes. But this is a legal loophole that the government abuses to circumvent a warrant required by the 4th amendment.
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