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Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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it's crazy that people nowadays seriously question basic market pressure being a thing

Who are the people that “seriously question basic market pressure being a thing”? Am I missing something?

There was an article on HN front page a few months ago which stated(paraphrased) "building more housing to reduce prices is a right wing ideology that doesn't match reality" or some such. I'll reply here if I find it.

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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You have to restrict investors buying up that newly built housing too. Homes for people. Not investors.

35% of Americans rent their homes. And they almost invariably rent from investors. Therefore if more than 35% of homes are owned by investors this drives down rent. If less than 35% are owned by investors rent goes up.

This logic assumes that 35% of Americans WANT to rent their home. Which seems odd to me, if only for financial reasons - why would you pay 1400$ for a 1 bedroom apartment when you could pay 700$ in a mortgage for that same apartment if you could have bought it?

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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Or develop 12 competing apps that each only work in different lots.

A fellow Swede I presume? It's extra silly cause I once parked in central Oslo and got the ticket mailed to my sthlm address. No fuss, no problem, super easy! We got a lot to learn from our neighbours....

Super easy unless you have moved recently, then you don't get the bill and end up years later in collections for the original amount plus a million late fees added on.

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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New construction has already decelerated in Austin due to falling prices, which compresses already-near-zero margin on real estate development. So yes, it really is "just build more housing." The problem is: why would you build more housing as prices fall?

Because home builders don't make money by buying and selling houses, they make money by building them and selling them.

This 1000x. Folks don’t get that the primary market != secondary market. Same as pre-IPO stock holder != IPO time buyer.

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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New construction has already decelerated in Austin due to falling prices, which compresses already-near-zero margin on real estate development. So yes, it really is "just build more housing." The problem is: why would you build more housing as prices fall?

Construction costs don't scale linearly with rent prices, it's a different market altogether that depends on regulation/worker supply/material costs/equipment/etc. As long as construction costs remain below the value of the units all-in, there's profit motive for developers to build.

> As long as construction costs remain below the value of the units all-in, there's profit motive for developers to build.

Not true

Real estate development is extremely capital intensive and therefore it's a question of all-in cost of capital compared to other investment opportunities.

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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New construction has already decelerated in Austin due to falling prices, which compresses already-near-zero margin on real estate development. So yes, it really is "just build more housing." The problem is: why would you build more housing as prices fall?

Because home builders don't make money by buying and selling houses, they make money by building them and selling them.

And... how is this relevant?

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here. You should spell it out explicitly.

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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Affordable housing is the only type of housing that will ever be built. Builders aren't so stupid as to build products that their customers can't buy. Government intervention is not needed.

And yet, gentrification.

God forbid bad parts of town ever get good.

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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Its wild how the solution to housing costs is really just: Build more housing. Keep law and order. No it doesn’t need to be “affordable”. Yes rent control is a terrible idea. Just build more housing. Note: that the US already has plenty of housing and housing costs basically go up in areas of low crime relative to economic opportunity. If you build housing, but allow crime to rise, you have wasted everybody’s time.

You have to restrict investors buying up that newly built housing too. Homes for people. Not investors.

No not really. You just have to restrict the same investor from buying all the housing in an area, and prevent investors from colluding on rents.

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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This comment is phrased as if the article is confirming these points when it either doesn't mention them or even directly refutes them. First there is no mention of either crime or rent control in the article. But more importantly, it states that "A key piece of Austin’s strategy has been to encourage the construction of affordable housing." So why are you concluding that affordable housing isn't needed?

Affordable housing is the only type of housing that will ever be built. Builders aren't so stupid as to build products that their customers can't buy. Government intervention is not needed.

I'm not sure if you're intentionally changing the definition of "affordable housing" in an attempt to make the desire for it seem silly or if you genuinely don't know how the term is typically used. But what you're describing is generally referred to as "market-rate housing" and not "affordable housing".

Re: Austin’s surge of new housing construction drove down rents

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Its wild how the solution to housing costs is really just: Build more housing. Keep law and order. No it doesn’t need to be “affordable”. Yes rent control is a terrible idea. Just build more housing. Note: that the US already has plenty of housing and housing costs basically go up in areas of low crime relative to economic opportunity. If you build housing, but allow crime to rise, you have wasted everybody’s time.

without rent control, what economic incentive do renters have to maintain law and order / invest in local community / be a good neighbor? any investment they make is captured by the landlord. in fact, they are incentivized to maintain their neighborhood in as much disrepair as they can stand, for fear of rent increases.

the little old lady living in a rent controlled apartment is a big part of why rents are high in that area: she was part of what made the community thrive. we would do well to compensate her for this.

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