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FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by nullcathedral »

FL4TLiN3 wrote: post #20

Who's selling the data is the far more serious issue here. Behind this is a remarkably well-structured syndicate. The supply chain looks something like this: consumer apps embed ad SDKs → those SDKs feed location signals into RTB ad exchanges → surveillance-oriented firms sit in the RTB pipeline and harvest bid request data even without winning auctions → that data flows to aggregators who don't have any direct relat…

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a headline in a few years when we find out other actors (e.g. China, Russia) have been buying this data en-masse too.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by bonsai_spool »

edm0nd wrote: post #25
46493168 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> kinda the same technique Democrats want to use as well with their "pack the SCOTUS" campaigns. They want to shove a bunch more justices in there so they can get their way.

> I hate how weaponized each side is.

To be clear, one of these things has happened. The other has been hyped on Fox News.

It is really a stretch to "Both Sides" this issue.

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Post by fullstop »

edm0nd wrote: post #25
46493168 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The difference is that the right is actually doing this, and some parts of the left have suggested it.

I don't give the actions of one group the same weight as the opinions of some people in the other group.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by lmeyerov »

FL4TLiN3 wrote: post #20

Who's selling the data is the far more serious issue here. Behind this is a remarkably well-structured syndicate. The supply chain looks something like this: consumer apps embed ad SDKs → those SDKs feed location signals into RTB ad exchanges → surveillance-oriented firms sit in the RTB pipeline and harvest bid request data even without winning auctions → that data flows to aggregators who don't have any direct relat…

Apple and Google are facilitating the data sales

Specifically, these big companies revenue share with app companies who in turn increase monetization via selling your private information, esp via free apps. In exchange for Apple etc super high app store rake percentage fees, they claim to run security vetting programs and ToS that vet who they do business with and tell users & courts that things are safe, even when they know they're not.

It's not rocket science for phone OS's to figure out who these companies are and, as iOS / android os users already get tracked by apple/google/etc, triangulate to which apps are participating

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by lateforwork »

FL4TLiN3 wrote: post #20

Who's selling the data is the far more serious issue here. Behind this is a remarkably well-structured syndicate. The supply chain looks something like this: consumer apps embed ad SDKs → those SDKs feed location signals into RTB ad exchanges → surveillance-oriented firms sit in the RTB pipeline and harvest bid request data even without winning auctions → that data flows to aggregators who don't have any direct relat…

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Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

FL4TLiN3 wrote: post #20

Who's selling the data is the far more serious issue here. Behind this is a remarkably well-structured syndicate. The supply chain looks something like this: consumer apps embed ad SDKs → those SDKs feed location signals into RTB ad exchanges → surveillance-oriented firms sit in the RTB pipeline and harvest bid request data even without winning auctions → that data flows to aggregators who don't have any direct relat…

And it’s working precisely as designed

For example you can have a truthful statement: “all of the apps that you have are constantly spying on you”

And the rejoinder is “ any given app is not specifically selling my data to specifically the FBI and so therefore it is not spying”

To which the response would be: “that is correct however the aggregate data is bundled and sold off to specifically the FBI or intelligence agencies and so there cannot be a logical differentiation between apps.”

By that point the person has downloaded another rewards app and added their drivers license to it.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by Jtsummers »

Permit wrote: post #30
edm0nd wrote: post #25

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> kinda the same technique Democrats want to use as well with their "pack the SCOTUS" campaigns. They want to shove a bunch more justices in there so they can get their way. Did this take place? Or is it just a fear of a hypothetical?

Fear of packing the Supreme Court is a fear of something that the current parties have not done. There's an 1869 law that would have to be changed to pack it since that law sets the number of justices to nine. After that, they'd have to get their justices confirmed.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by mogwire »

nomel wrote: post #10

The supreme court had a 5-4 decision related to this [1]. Was there something specific, in that decision, that leaves a loophole open? [1] https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/17pdf/16-402_h315.pdf

> Carpenter v. United States (2018) was a landmark Supreme Court case that held the government generally needs a warrant to access historical cell-site location information (CSLI) from cell phone carriers, as its acquisition constitutes a Fourth Amendment search

This is very different from buying your data from a company especially when the user consented to their location being tracked.

Too many people in these threads jumping to anti-Trump when the real issue is how quick we are to give up our our privacy to use technology and then quickly turn to shock in anger when it’s used against us.

Re: FBI is buying location data to track US citizens, director confirms

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Post by Finnucane »

thephyber wrote: post #27
givemeethekeys wrote: post #2

That's the job of the FBI - to investigate domestic crimes. But, why do private organizations so willingly participate in the tracking ecosystem? I suppose they're in the, "you have nothing to worry about if you're not doing anything illegal" camp! Hopefully they understand that they have the most to lose.

For profit organizations are legally required to maximize shareholder value. Many of them will abuse the spirit of the law in order to squeeze profits where others won’t. The FBI is violating the spirit and original intent of the 4A by creating an entire industry out of the “3rd party doctrine” bypass to the 4A. That doctrine was whole cloth created by SCOTUS and Congress has been too happy to avoid credit or blame f…

>For profit organizations are legally required to maximize shareholder value.

No:

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/16/what-are-co...

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