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Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which in this case would just be an incredibly strong magnetic field...

What about neutral particles?

Answer: inhomogeneous magnetic fields. See the Stern–Gerlach experiment.

So basically your spaceship needs to have the core part in a spinning sphere generating such a magnetic field. Also not to forget the gravitational attraction which would make the free particles in space quite attracted to your bulk spaceship, following you like mosquitos :).

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

#42

That's okay, there's time to work on the shielding. 0.03 c is the most that can be feasibly achieved using top-end near future technology like dusty plasma fission fragment rockets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission-fragment_rocket

Thermonuclear pulse propulsion (a la Project Orion) can do better than that- up to 0.1c. And that requires no unproven technology; just a lot of money and a lot of politics (and a lot of fission fuel to buy with that money; I dunno if it's more than you could actually get on the market or not, but it would definitely cost A Lot).

>a lot of black politics

FTFY

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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Why not use the speeding hydrogen in a nuclear reaction that fuels the ship, thereby killing 2 atoms with one stone? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet

The article points out some reasons why it might be difficult (not impossible!) to construct the electromagnetic field required for such a ramjet, but yes this point seems to be completely lost on the author. A Bussard ramjet specifically exploits the presence of interstellar hydrogen as a valuable energy resource.

Unfortunately those who have worked out the physics for Bussard ramjets in detail find that they don't really work as an energy source or a propulsion mechanism while cruising. Indeed - more useful as a brake.

See http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=22115 for some pointers.

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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You know what else is an obstacle to relativistic spaceflight? Being able to do relativistic space flight. Fun fact: people realized this a long time ago, and proposed different "shields" in front of the ship (it turns out that the most effective shape is a smoothed-out cone [of ice, say] -- see Asimov's Song of a Distant Earth).

Alastair Reynolds describes ice shields in a lot of detail.

In Pushing Ice if I recall correctly. Fantastic novel, also discusses the threat of the EM spectrum being blue-shifted to harmful wavelengths.

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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There's also the risk of hitting small dust particles, etc. A quick back of the envelope calculation reveals that hitting a spec of dust that weighs just 1 ug (a millions of a gram) at 90% c produces ~36 mega joule. Not a huge amount of energy (about the energy of burning 1kg of coal), but still. Hitting a grain of sand (10mg) at 90% c produces ~360 giga joule (energy of a small lightning)

The NASA orbital debris programme has a few pictures of impacts on returned space craft. Obviously these craft are travelling very much slower than 0.9 c.

(http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/protect/impacts.html)

(http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/photogallery/photogallery....)

And some of the debris is quite large - (http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/photogallery/gallarypage/s...) (Is that tape inches?? So that lump is about 1.5 to 2 inches?)

There are existing projects researching near earth impacts from high speed objects (http://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/ares/hvit/problem.cfm) so maybe there's some trickle through to research between very fast craft and small objects.

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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Is this a reputable journal? It seems to be from the same publisher ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCIRP ) as Advances in Pure Mathematics , which recently accepted a paper written by a random text generator.

No, it is not.

Beall's List of Predatory, Open-Access Publishers includes Scientific Research Publishing on the list, saying "Do not do business with the above publishers, including submitting article manuscripts, serving on editorial boards, buying advertising, etc. There are numerous traditional, legitimate journals that will publish your quality work for free, including many legitimate, open-access publishers."

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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There's one thing I never quite got about these speculations. When you consider a ship leaving a solar system and accelerating, and the speed gained turning the "ambient hydrogen" into deadly radiation, why does it always seem to assume that hydrogen atoms are just kind of hanging out at low velocities relative to the home solar system and only turn into a problem when the bald captain says "engage"? Its a big univer…

'a few rouge hydrogen atoms' It's rogue. Sorry, pet hate, can't help myself. That and people typing 'tounge' when they mean tongue.

Unless the atoms were moving away from the observer, then they might appear a little rouged.

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alastair Reynolds describes ice shields in a lot of detail.

In Pushing Ice if I recall correctly. Fantastic novel, also discusses the threat of the EM spectrum being blue-shifted to harmful wavelengths.

Also with the "lighthuggers" in the Revelation Space universe.

Re: Highly relativistic spaceflight would be fatal for passengers and instruments

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There's one thing I never quite got about these speculations. When you consider a ship leaving a solar system and accelerating, and the speed gained turning the "ambient hydrogen" into deadly radiation, why does it always seem to assume that hydrogen atoms are just kind of hanging out at low velocities relative to the home solar system and only turn into a problem when the bald captain says "engage"? Its a big univer…

"a few rouge hydrogen atoms"

What makes you think they're red?

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