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Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by saghm »

tylervigen wrote: post #103
jeff_tyrrill wrote: post #99

I feel like the scroll fade fad is misunderstanding layered on bugs, turtles all the way down. Once upon a time, developers implemented lazy loading of images, to save bandwidth. However, some developers implemented it poorly, waiting until the moment an image is scrolled on-screen to even start loading it, leading to a visible blip as you scroll. (The better way would be to load an additional pageful of images beyon…

...is that really the story? It feels like these are two related, but different things.

I'm not sure it's feasible to prove or disprove how this design trend started. I wouldn't be shocked if it was true, but I also wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't. I'd be more surprised if we ever found out for sure one way or another than about what the truth is.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by MDCore »

I couldn't do the mandatory onboarding training at a job once because the course web app had heavy scroll fade, and I got nauseous after a few minutes. I tried every few hours for weeks. Eventually I said I couldn't do it. They had to print it out to pdf for me, and gave me a pass on the courses that were dependent on animation to work.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#113

Post by Griffinsauce »

adito wrote: post #102
Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

Oh. This. Tho I solved that with userstyles.

Joke's on you, we implement all animations in JS

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#115

Post by mghackerlady »

ryandrake wrote: post #55
marssaxman wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why browsers ever let designers fuck up the scrolling mechanism in the first place. Why is that even possible?

Browsers have handed way too much control to web developers. "The web as a software SDK" was a terrible idea.

The web should be a method of delivering documents exclusively, and be limited to the kinds of things you can do with other computerized documents (the basics, but also Audio, Video, Animations, hyperlinking, etc.)

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#116

Post by slopinthebag »

knorker wrote: post #25
jonas21 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You probably haven't noticed it before because when it's done well, it's a subtle and pleasant effect that can be used to draw your attention to particular elements on the page. This site is intentionally doing it very poorly to make a point. Really, the takeaway should be don't do things poorly. But that's kind of obvious.

> when it's done well It's always awful. This site is exagerated in degree, but in kind it's merely on the scale of awful. Computers should not waste my time. Even if eyes are 10ms faster than the awful fade, if a million people see it, that's almost three hours of human life down the drain. And when scrolling fast, or far, it's not uncommon to have it waste a second of human time. A million of those is 38 human work…

> million of those is 38 human working days, just flushed down the toilet, because someone wanted "pleasant".

This is the wrong conclusion. The amount of work that can be accomplished summing one second from 38 million people is approximately zero - much different from stealing 1 day from 38 people or 1 hour from 912.

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#118

Post by cowpig »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

Interesting, I find sticky headers to be the bane of my existence, and the ones that disappear but reappear on scroll up are a lesser evil

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

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Post by swiftcoder »

tylervigen wrote: post #100
adventured wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Screen real-estate for legitimate content is often at a premium and then they go and steal some of that land with sticky headers and or footers. I occasionally run across mobile sites that use both at the same time, while throwing in ads here and there, it's an atrocious experience.

Yes but then I think they should leave the header at the top of the page. If I need it I'll scroll all the way back up! Don't make it randomly re-appear and cover the text I wanted to see because I decided to re-read that last paragraph.

Especially since mobile browsers typically have a shortcut for scroll-all-the-way-to-the-top

Re: Death to Scroll Fade

#120

Post by vmg12 »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #96

Something else scroll-related I personally hate: Sticky 'headers' that disappear when you scroll down, and appear when you scroll up. I hate them so much. It hurts my brain to see the stupid thing appear and disappear constantly if I scroll around a page. The worst part is you can't even zap them out of the way with something like uBlock, because then there's no header even when you're at the top of the page. >:( EDI…

Also if anything it should disappear when scrolling down and appear when scrolling up.
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