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FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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"The FDA has highlighted studies finding that pasteurization does not negatively affect the nutritional value of milk. Still, advocates of raw milk continue to claim, without evidence, that raw dairy has benefits." Well, perhaps it has taste benefits?

There's almost no discernible difference between unhomogenized pasteurized milk and raw milk, both tasted directly and in the final cheese. As a working chef* I had to be taught to detect the difference, and now that I'm not doing it regularly I doubt I even could. * at the time at a michelin star restaurant, not to brag but because the finesse of my palate is directly relevant and likely to be called into question.

we have a small dairy farm. We sell milk to a company which pausterizes milk soon. BUT

we have in the past made cheese for illegal exporters of cheese, and they require it be made of unpausterized milk. Apparently, they can't get enough unpausterized cheese in their country, so they habe to smuggle it. They can't disclose neither the cheese origin nor its nature; the consumers do taste tje difference.

Similarly, my father prefers the taste of unpausterized milk cuajada (non compact cheese) He says pausterized milk loses most of its flavor.

For the record. I prefer pausterized milk; I also notice the difference.

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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"Raw Farm has been associated with over a dozen other outbreaks and many recalls in the last 20 years, according to Bill Marler, a personal injury lawyer specializing in food poisoning outbreaks who has kept a record of the company’s outbreaks. Those outbreaks have been caused by a range of pathogenic bacteria known to be risks in unpasteurized dairy products, including E. coli, Salmonella, Campylobacter, and Listeria. A 2024 Salmonella outbreak connected to Raw Farm’s raw milk was linked to at least 171 illnesses."

If true, it sounds like this is just par for the course.

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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post #3

"The FDA has highlighted studies finding that pasteurization does not negatively affect the nutritional value of milk. Still, advocates of raw milk continue to claim, without evidence, that raw dairy has benefits." Well, perhaps it has taste benefits?

That would get in the way of Arstechnica's hyper liberal bias. I eat raw cheese because it tastes good. It's common in France, like in reblochon and Brie de meaux. There aren't mass deaths in France because of this.

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's almost no discernible difference between unhomogenized pasteurized milk and raw milk, both tasted directly and in the final cheese. As a working chef* I had to be taught to detect the difference, and now that I'm not doing it regularly I doubt I even could. * at the time at a michelin star restaurant, not to brag but because the finesse of my palate is directly relevant and likely to be called into question.

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Do yourself a giant favor and read up on what it takes to get a single Michelin star. It's not a fucking Yelp review.

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's almost no discernible difference between unhomogenized pasteurized milk and raw milk, both tasted directly and in the final cheese. As a working chef* I had to be taught to detect the difference, and now that I'm not doing it regularly I doubt I even could. * at the time at a michelin star restaurant, not to brag but because the finesse of my palate is directly relevant and likely to be called into question.

we have a small dairy farm. We sell milk to a company which pausterizes milk soon. BUT we have in the past made cheese for illegal exporters of cheese, and they require it be made of unpausterized milk. Apparently, they can't get enough unpausterized cheese in their country, so they habe to smuggle it. They can't disclose neither the cheese origin nor its nature; the consumers do taste tje difference. Similarly, my f…

It makes a little more sense for cheese as a cultured product.

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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post #3

"The FDA has highlighted studies finding that pasteurization does not negatively affect the nutritional value of milk. Still, advocates of raw milk continue to claim, without evidence, that raw dairy has benefits." Well, perhaps it has taste benefits?

There's almost no discernible difference between unhomogenized pasteurized milk and raw milk, both tasted directly and in the final cheese. As a working chef* I had to be taught to detect the difference, and now that I'm not doing it regularly I doubt I even could. * at the time at a michelin star restaurant, not to brag but because the finesse of my palate is directly relevant and likely to be called into question.

Isn't most good cheese unpasteurised? Comte, Roquefort, Gruyere, Epoisses, Parmesan, even many (most?) small-producer Cheddars.

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's almost no discernible difference between unhomogenized pasteurized milk and raw milk, both tasted directly and in the final cheese. As a working chef* I had to be taught to detect the difference, and now that I'm not doing it regularly I doubt I even could. * at the time at a michelin star restaurant, not to brag but because the finesse of my palate is directly relevant and likely to be called into question.

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1 Michelin star is like _only_ in the top 0.1% of restaurants instead of the top 0.001%.

It’s still impressive, difficult, and time consuming.

Highly recommend you check out any starred restaurants nearby where you live. They tend to be expensive, but they are worth the high sticker price

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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I make cheese (ricotta and paneer) from raw milk all of the time at home. Raw milk is easy to buy here in Switzerland.

I get a noticeably better result with raw milk than pasteurized, and terrible terrible results from ultra-pasteurized milk. By 'better' I mean quantity per liter but also the size of the curds.

The thing that I find amusing is that I think people in the USA actually just chug raw milk like it's regular milk. Don't do that! You're supposed to heat to 60C minimum. When you make cheese you heat to higher - around 85C, when the milk surface turns foamy.

A lot of cheese here is from raw milk. I'd even say most but I don't know that for sure. But even though you aren't pasteurizing the milk (high temp under pressure for short time) you are killing the bacteria on the first step.

Re: FDA links raw cheese to outbreak; Makers "100% disagree," refuse recall

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post #12

Not sure how to compare raw milk cheese made in the USA, versus raw milk cheese in EU region. I wont drink raw milk cause there's all sorts of bad shit. But raw milk cheese? Seems safe.

I think you can usually just assume us food standards are worse - same reason I wouldn't order steak tartare here.

It sounds like the farm in question also sells raw milk anyway so their standards for safety might be worse on top of that.

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