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512 Paths to the White House

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Re: 512 Paths to the White House

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Do you really think the UK is a good example of free speech or effective governance? Free speech is extremely broken in that country. It's so bad there that they have to work to repeal crap like this: http://reformsection5.org.uk/

UK might not have the right solution but they're trying to work at the problem while we're letting the problem get worse. Slander and content of speech is tough to regulate because it's not black and white. I think we should still kick around ideas that try to control blatant lying but I understand how unrealistic that could be. Personally, I think limiting campaign spending might work. Again, still extremely tough s…

Try reading the Citizen's United court opinion. I had your stance on the issue before I read their reasoning (it is absolutely worth the read), and I'm come to realize:

1. corporate campaign spending will likely not corrupt the political process

2. as we can see since the ruling, very very little independent expenditures are coming from corporations. it's still mostly rich people paying for the commercials, which is what it was like before

3. the FEC and the idea of these regulations are completely flawed

4. there is no way that these laws will scale passed TV and broadcasting, even though they purport to regulate speech online as well.

5. people should be exposed to as much speech as possible, and it should be assumed they can come to conclusions that fit within their interests. Especially in a world where it becomes increasingly difficult for campaigns to sway voters even with billions of dollars of speech.

> Today, 30-second television ads may be the most effective way to convey a political message. [...] Soon, however, it may be that Internet sources, such as blogs and social networking Web sites, will provide citizens with significant information about political candidates and issues. Yet, §441b would seem to ban a blog post expressly advocating the election or defeat of a candidate if that blog were created with corporate funds.

> Yet, the FEC has created a regime that allows it to select what political speech is safe for public consumption by applying ambiguous tests. If parties want to avoid litigation and the possibility of civil and criminal penalties, they must either refrain from speaking or ask the FEC to issue an advisory opinion approving of the political speech in question. Government officials pore over each word of a text to see if, in their judgment, it accords with the 11-factor test they have promulgated. This is an unprecedented governmental intervention into the realm of speech.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf

Re: 512 Paths to the White House

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From the article you quoted: The assumptions include a majoritarian election system in which political views are along a one-dimensional spectrum. Political views are not along a one-dimensional spectrum. As soon as you add another dimension, FPTP elections favor extremism according to the visualizations I linked to elsewhere in the thread ( http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/ ).

Adding another dimension doesn't make a difference; adding another candidate does.

The existence of only two candidates is a side effect of assuming that political opinions lie on only one dimension. The Median Voter Theorem also seems to ignore the polarizing effects of our two-party primary system.

Re: 512 Paths to the White House

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> This is also about making it possible for anyone to run for office... Do you know how many super-smart people have the personality of a brick? I don't understand this line of thinking. Do you believe Steve Wozniak would make a better president than Steve Jobs? Leadership often requires a strong dose of charisma and moxie. Those geniuses without people skills make great advisors.

Given those two choices, I don't know. We don't know enough about their views across a wide range of topics outside of technology. You might want to go back and research presidents before television and the internet. Some of the most effective ones had pretty shitty personalities and habits. Today they'd never make it. My only argument is that we are probably keeping a lot of really good candidates from participating…

You make some very valid points. Thanks.

Re: 512 Paths to the White House

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That'd be nice, but for the record, spending a lot of money on the military and cutting taxes (Bush, Romney) is not 'basically democrats with a little bit of jesus thrown in'. I think your beef is more with the national security conservatives than the religious ones, religion is orthogonal to economic conservatism and often employed in its favor (megachurches hating on 'socialism', etc)

spending a lot of money on the military and cutting taxes (Bush, Romney) is not 'basically democrats with a little bit of jesus thrown in' I'm referring to spending lots of money on subsidized medicine (Busy, Romney), assorted redistribution schemes (Bush, Romney), increasing the regulatory state (Bush), more executive power (Bush), opposing freedom of political speech (Romney), opposing free speech on the internet (…

Well, FWIW, Obama's cut federal domestic discretionary spending relative to the economy, inflation and other measures and has promised to continue to do so in his next term.

Of course, military and entitlements need to be addressed as well but reducing healthcare costs is obviously a priority of his as is reducing military spending.

Maybe you should just vote democrat.

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