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Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

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Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#31

I admire and applaud Kagi for what they are trying to be. But on the AI front, the Assistant is simply worse than using for example Gemini or ChatGPT directly. It is slower, it cannot generate images etc.

On the other hand, it doesn't monetize any of the data you give. Six of one, half dozen of the other, yeah?

Re: image gen... it's a search engine. Why would I need my refrigerator to toast my bread?

Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#32
post #8

Kagi is unfortunately in a tough spot, imo. I'm a happy subscriber, and it's certainly a big improvement over Google search. But the internet just isn't the same place it was five years ago. And as search results (for non-navigational queries) are becoming less useful by the day, I find myself asking AI to do it for me more. There's a lot to like about Kagi, but they'll probably have to reinvent themselves if they wa…

"Asking AI" is doing a lot of work there.

The people who pay for Kagi do so for very specific reasons, often because they know what "asking AI" really means for their privacy.

Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#33
I honestly think that AI goes against Kagis's main purpose. I see it as a tool to search the Internet. Carefully craft what you think is relevant, try to remove as much AI generated crap from your results, etc.

By using AI you are doing the opposite. You are letting some random AI get the results for you.

That's assuming Kagi assistant is the AI that searches the Internet. I don't know, I have never used it. I use Kagi search every day though

Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#34
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the rest of us that deeply distrust and despise the anti-ethical and wasteful assistants is an upgrade.

Friendly reminder that you're not forced to use it. "I despise soccer, so soccer should disappear".

Soccer is not destroying the planet and making basic computer hardware unaffordable.

Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#35
post #8

Kagi is unfortunately in a tough spot, imo. I'm a happy subscriber, and it's certainly a big improvement over Google search. But the internet just isn't the same place it was five years ago. And as search results (for non-navigational queries) are becoming less useful by the day, I find myself asking AI to do it for me more. There's a lot to like about Kagi, but they'll probably have to reinvent themselves if they wa…

Why though. Why does it need to grow beyond a niche premium option? As long as they’re paying the bills and everyone is happy why not just let a good thing keep chugging along.

Amen. "Growth" is literally product cancer

Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#38
post #29
post #5

Good. I'm a paying user from day one, and I never used, nor want to see any AI features on my search engine. I'd use Google if I cared about any of that stuff. Honestly, I just want my money to be used to improve good old match-keywords-against-index search.

They could use AI is to remove web pages with AI generated spam content in search results. I don't know how accurate that could work. For technical blogs there should be a lens that ranks GPG signed articles higher, is that even possible?

Can't AI sign their articles with GPG too though?

Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#39
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the rest of us that deeply distrust and despise the anti-ethical and wasteful assistants is an upgrade.

Friendly reminder that you're not forced to use it. "I despise soccer, so soccer should disappear".

You still have to live in a world where LLMs exist and are based on the stolen labor of millions of people and are actively destroying the livelihood of people, our environment and democracy.

Re: Kagi is contemplating the removal of the assistant from its professional tier

#40
I use the assistant daily, often instead of search. The search is good, but the sad fact is searching www has been getting less interesting fast and there simply isn't much of value to find (maybe if they added an option to search in the Wayback Machine? I would pay extra for that!). Adding a LLM on top of search results and to fire off multiple searches makes it possible to sometimes squeeze a little bit of actually useful information out of the cesspool that is modern web.

Without the Assistant I would probably go back down to the lowest kagi tier.

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