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Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by voidUpdate »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #184
voidUpdate wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldnt ISPs give you a bit of web space with your internet plan back in the day? (I'm too young to have been around for that but I've heard it used to be a thing)

Yes, but that's an ugly address tied to your provider. And you had to learn rearing a website (in Frontpage?) and FTP. Also expectations on websites were different. They were allowed to be fun and didn't have to care about different kidb sof devices, accessibility and all these things. Back in the day™ this worked somewhat as people who were online and a somewhat level of technical interest. Else they wouldn't have u…

Ah, fair enough

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by hoppp »

Muller20 wrote: post #114
hoppp wrote: post #109

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I prompted claude and it wrote me a pretty good landingpage. Thats all I needed and its never been more easy to have that html file. The hard thing for users is to host it and configure DNS, but that is free with cloudflare, just need to buy a domain name. But even buying a domain name can be too much for some people as facebook is "free"

I think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average person. You still need to have an idea of what is html, DNS, cludflare. Most people wouldn't even know where to start looking. But I agree that once you know how to create a website, generating a landing page with Claude is painless.

Overestimating? I did comment that even buying a name is too much.

People who are non-technical will never have a website, but the barrier of entry is low for anyone who has access to the right information.

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

slifin wrote: post #132
janalsncm wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, setting up a website is a pain. But in reality there’s only a handful of things people care about for your restaurant: what, when, and where. Put up your menu, put up your hours, and put up your location. And a phone number.

Most people should put in a Google maps entry

Your menu? Can't. Your open hours? They already know it.

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by jstanley »

ehnto wrote: post #172
Arainach wrote: post #14

Someone wrote and deleted a comment saying > I don't get it. LLMs are supposed to have 100% bridged this gap from "normie" to "DIY website." What's missing? This is an all too common thought process among technologists, so: Where to even start? Well, let's start that every single "AI" company is massively overhyping everything to try to avoid any unfortunate realizations about the emperor's clothes regarding their Ca…

I often turn to the saying "Rich people don't talk to robots". Time poor people want things done for them not by them. The agency of action needs to be delegated. Just because Flight Centre can automatically line up your flights for you, doesn't mean they want to. Time poor people still don't have time to go through that nor do they want to. They ask their assistant to do it, their assistant knows them well and fills…

If you're time-poor maybe you're not as rich as you think.

The richest person I know talks to robots all the time.

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by freetime2 »

RandomGerm4n wrote: post #189

I don’t understand why people think it’s so difficult to build a website. If you let go of the idea that every little site has to look ‘modern’ and have thousands of features, it’s really easy. Stallman’s website would be a good example. It’s super minimalist, and there’s nothing stopping a restaurant from building a site like that too. The homepage can simply list the opening hours and special offers, and then have…

Or just host it on squarespace (or something similar).

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

mocheeze wrote: post #106
gigabyte9592 wrote: post #53

Sure, right after DNS, hosting, SSL, and convincing Google I exist.

I don't understand this. There are super cheap shared-hosting plans the allow you to just do a couple clicks to install WordPress with full control. Then about $13/yr for a .com with no trouble with SSL or Google.

Plenty of free tier options like Cloudflare pages, etc too.

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by 1dom »

I'm all for personal website and these sentiments which regularly come up here around self hosting. This one seems a bit disproportionately confused and angry though.

If we're going to have any large aggregation or social media businesses where individuals trade data ownership for convenience, being able to put your opening hours and rates on the the internet without having to figure out how to have a website seems like the optimal use case.

I think we should aim for a sensible mid ground where social media provides just the things it provided before around 2011, like updates and communication with people you know and want to interact with already.

An "all personal websites" web that OP is calling for is just pushing the exclusion they feel onto the people they're complaining about.

We should have websites. We should also use the appropriate tool for the appropriate job, and running your own website isn't the best tool if you just want to get your business rates and opening hours on the web.

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by 1dom »

hvb2 wrote: post #92
rich_sasha wrote: post #63

A few comments point out, and I agree, that setting up, never mind maintaining a webpage, has become a PITA: - server (AWS? 10 optional services to config etc etc, config, updates etc) - domain - SSL cert Are there solid providers who do it all-in-one? I pay one bill, get a domain, SSL certificate, renewed, and a managed, pre-configured Linux box, or even static hosting? Thinking of setting up a webpage for my consul…

I have actually been experimenting with this. And it's real simple. I think for these cases everyone should be shooting for a static site. In which case it is: 1. Rent a vps 2. Buy a domain 3. Set up nginx or something else 4. Copy files to the right folder 5. Point a dns record to said server 6. Use certbot to get an ssl cert installed for you It's not that hard really.

Sorry, just confirming, this is sarcasm, right?

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by jorams »

rich_sasha wrote: post #63

A few comments point out, and I agree, that setting up, never mind maintaining a webpage, has become a PITA: - server (AWS? 10 optional services to config etc etc, config, updates etc) - domain - SSL cert Are there solid providers who do it all-in-one? I pay one bill, get a domain, SSL certificate, renewed, and a managed, pre-configured Linux box, or even static hosting? Thinking of setting up a webpage for my consul…

Literally type "webhosting" into a search engine and every single provider that comes up will do that all-in-one. They'll also throw in a database and PHP, probably with an automatic installer for things like WordPress. There's a good chance your registrar will even try to upsell you the whole package.

These things are not the hard part.

Re: Have a fucking website

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Post by fsflover »

lentil_soup wrote: post #187
Arainach wrote: post #14

Someone wrote and deleted a comment saying > I don't get it. LLMs are supposed to have 100% bridged this gap from "normie" to "DIY website." What's missing? This is an all too common thought process among technologists, so: Where to even start? Well, let's start that every single "AI" company is massively overhyping everything to try to avoid any unfortunate realizations about the emperor's clothes regarding their Ca…

I miss Geocities so much. It was so simple, open an account, drag some files and done you have a website. What happened? Why is it so hard to have a static website now?

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