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Honda is killing its EVs

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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by MiiMe19 »

gorfian_robot wrote: post #337
throw7 wrote: post #292

I'm not anti-EV... I don't have charging capability at my apartment or work. On occasion, I do 300 mile trips (adirondacks/nyc). Skeptical of winter performance. I have no interest in "frequent updates, slick infotainment software, and advanced driver-assistance systems". Frankly, no spare tire is a no starter for me also.

BYD just released a car that charges 250mi of range in 5min for exactly this reason.

Or instead of paying money for a car that still fills up slower than a gas one, has all the extra issues that come with EVs, and hope that there is charging infrastructure in my area, I could just buy any ice car made in the last 35+ years.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by longislandguido »

TrackerFF wrote: post #85

I live in a top EV market, Norway. ICE cars have been planned out for years now, and something like 96% of all new cars in Norway were EV last year. Basically, if you plan on keeping selling ICE cars, you're removing yourself from the market here. There's no future for new personal ICE cars here. I figure most other countries will be the same.

A country where you're looked down upon for driving a Focus RS or other "fun" car seems like a boring, austere place to be.

Perhaps that's why we never hear about Norwegian car culture (as opposed to Germany and the US). Ferdinand Porsche would have resigned to building apple carts.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by robocat »

walthamstow wrote: post #93
TrackerFF wrote: post #85

I live in a top EV market, Norway. ICE cars have been planned out for years now, and something like 96% of all new cars in Norway were EV last year. Basically, if you plan on keeping selling ICE cars, you're removing yourself from the market here. There's no future for new personal ICE cars here. I figure most other countries will be the same.

Norway is a very special case in that it has massive hydro energy resources and nobody lives there.

> massive hydro energy resources

That is irrelevant unless Norway has unused capacity.

If a country adds electric cars using more electric power, then what really matters is how that extra power is generated.

It gets weird in Europe because adding extra load in Norway could easily mean that Poland does more generation using coal.

I'm in New Zealand where the government owned generators are preventing solar installations. One example was via an unobvious regulation that the installation had to handle massively overengineered earthquake rules. Meanwhile we use coal or imported gas when the isn't enough rain for our hydro. And we waste about 10% of our total capacity exporting (via one aluminium plant).

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by MiiMe19 »

defrost wrote: post #409
wileydragonfly wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are a net oil exporter. I have no idea where everyone around here thinks all this electricity to charge cars is going to come from.

> We are a net oil exporter. That's a problem and behaviour with poor long term consequences. Bit like Columbia being a net cocaine exporter. > I have no idea There are annual IEA reports on global energy demand and supply by means and country. Those looking ahead to sustainable energy are improving technology and infrastructure to better utilize the great fusion reactor in the sky. Certainly the US could use a plan…

>Producing things that other people use is bad and literally cocaine!!!

>Stop wanting to actually make things and have a well rounded economy!!!

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by maxsilver »

cyanydeez wrote: post #325
rkagerer wrote: post #308

Honda is setting itself up for failure on the second disruption sweeping the automotive industry: the software-defined vehicle (SDV), which has core capabilities that can be upgraded and improved over time. No thank you. Not sure why the author frames this as a good thing. They've been bamboozled by the automakers and have got it backwards - you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled,…

It's techcrunch. The angle of software-everything has to be there. Why honda is killing EVs is directly related to just how damn cheap Chinese EVs have become and how stupid Americans are when it comes to EV efficiency. Who the hell wants large vehicles for EV when the best solutions are small efficient vehicles with long drive times. Americans distort the market and margins, and Honda was never in the large SUV game…

> Honda was never in the large SUV game.

(The Honda Pilot and Honda Passport stare at you, with deep resentment)

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by MiiMe19 »

slg wrote: post #415
metaphor wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's all motherhood and apple pie, but I'm sorry: the reality that we live in and incentives at play are such that if a capability can be exploited, then it will be exploited to the detriment of the consumer. Full stop.

It's interesting how many complaints I see on HN that are framed as if they're complaints about a specific piece of technology when they are really complaints about capitalism. I'm all ears if you want to criticize our entire economic system, but I think it's silly to have that conversation specifically in the context of car software rather than at a societal level.

Because we don't care about capitalism, we don't want over the air updates to our cars.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by tialaramex »

wileydragonfly wrote: post #388
boringg wrote: post #112

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Two points. 1. Infra will need to upgrade in order to handle heavy charging in neighborhoods with wholesale change in the fleet. It would change our electrical use model considerably in terms of times of use -- and we would be adding all the energy used from gas powered cars to the electrical grid - which is somewhat significant. 2. While you are correct technically -- I think what I am implying is older cars (ICE) w…

We are a net oil exporter. I have no idea where everyone around here thinks all this electricity to charge cars is going to come from.

If you've been assuming you need to replace all the oil with the same amount of electrical power then you're seriously wrong.

Electric motors are extremely efficient over a wide speed range, whereas combustion engines aren't very efficient even in their relatively narrow optimal range and the arrangement needed to translate that power into motion further reduces overall efficiency.

While replacing the energy 1:1 would entail roughly doubling US electrical generation you actually want to replace the function and that's maybe 20-25% increase. It's not a trifle but it's very do-able. Especially if you time-shift car charging so that it's happening when humans are asleep and there's slack in the network.

You charge your phone while you sleep right? If you're used to filling up a car at a gas station it can feel weird but you can charge a car while you sleep too.

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Post by rjp0008 »

slg wrote: post #417
scj wrote: post #375

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> "At a societal level, cars that can automatically fix a "recall" with an over-the-air update..." If an over-the-air patch can have that kind of impact, then what happens if security is compromised and that power is used for ill?

When was the last time you worried about someone cutting your brakes? A lot of times these hypothetical fears are disconnected from reality. Security is important, but people generally don't engage in destruction for destruction's sake so improving default safety levels has been a clear net positive for society so far. Maybe I'm being shortshighted and a future security exploit will change that, but it's not somethin…

Cutting someones breaks requires physical access to the hardware.

Changing: if (brakeDepressed()){ engageBrake(); } To: if (brakeDepressed() && currentTime < '5/6/26 4pm EST'){ engageBrake(); } Can be deployed to thousands of vehicles, and would stop brakes from working during peak commute time on the East Coast.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by defrost »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #425
defrost wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We are a net oil exporter. That's a problem and behaviour with poor long term consequences. Bit like Columbia being a net cocaine exporter. > I have no idea There are annual IEA reports on global energy demand and supply by means and country. Those looking ahead to sustainable energy are improving technology and infrastructure to better utilize the great fusion reactor in the sky. Certainly the US could use a plan…

>Producing things that other people use is bad and literally cocaine!!! >Stop wanting to actually make things and have a well rounded economy!!!

It's poor HN practice to badly strawman others comments.

Dragging up sequestered carbon in the billions upon billions of tonnes and changing the insulation factor of the atmosphere _is_ bad and will lead to no good if not unchecked and somewhat reversed - that's just physics.

Ergo - that should _stop_ and other things should be made that sidestep the issue.

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