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>Beyond Meat CEO Says ‘It’s Just Not The Moment For Plant-Based Meat’ After Rebrand It absolutely is the time for plant-based meat. It has never been more crucial. It's just that their business model was easily replicable.
For the whole industry is trying to solve a problem that never really existed. Folks can not like meat for ethical issues but it is a good source of protein and our bodies are designed to eat it. If you don’t want to eat meat there are other good sources of nutrients from a carefully designed vegetarian diet. The whole “fake meat” thing was always just a silly gimmick. More broadly, as others have highlighted, the re…
Even if that were true, our bodies were designed in a different era. Long before factory farming and antibiotics, long before curing and flavorings. Yes, high quality meat can be healthy but how many people are eating high quality meat?
If you want to criticize Beyond Meat for being processed goop, you must compare it to the meat regular people are eating every day… which is also processed goop but with added antibiotics and disease. The average American consumer would be much healthier if they immediately swapped all of their meat consumption with plant-based alternatives.
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Supermarket burger patties all have nitrates to cure/preserve them which turn into nitrosamines when cooked (carcinogenic). Same goes for bacon etc. I'm actually super appalled how the agrolobby with its full-page ads was able to turn something healthy into something being viewed as chemical and unhealthy.
you've posted this multiple times and it's not actually true. go read the ingredients list on a supermarket burger
Perhaps a tangent, but they're not required to list "chlorine" as an ingredient if the slaughterhouse washes the beef with bleach to kill bacteria.
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I hear the most ironic stuff on glp from the people I know on it. So doctor is obviously a reasonable person with an interest in making people healthy, not trying to set up glp addicts, and are encouraging better diet and increased exercise while eventually tapering and getting them off the glp entirely as the final end goal. The whole time they are telling me this I can't help but wonder what the hell is the point o…
If you are 3-400+ pounds, quickly shedding 100+ pounds makes exercising MUCH easier, and the accompanying loss in appetite will HOPEFULLY teach you better portion sizes. Countless morbidly overweight people have tried for years/decades to lose weight, without success, and GLPs allow them to bootstrap the process. Yes, CICO, blah blah, but overcoming food addiction by asking people to eat less is like forcing a smoker…
But that being said everyone I know on GLP (only like 3 people admittedly) isn't close to obese. Maybe at most 40-60lbs overweight. And again all getting the recommendations for diet and exercise interventions, which they are all starting up, but begs the question whether they could have just lost those couple dozen pounds starting up diet and exercise without having to go on the drug. Especially as the drug isn't actually "doing" anything like raising resting metabolic rate to physically burn more calories, but instead slowing digestion and making you feel as though you are more full to trick you into taking in less calories.
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I think you are right that I just don't think I will ever have a concept for it. For me I can easily skip an entire day of meals. I can be hungry. I've gone to bed hungry plenty of times in my life. I remember reading some Herman Hesse, Siddartha actually considers it a skill that he knows how to fast and be content. Cigarette addiction is even more perplexing for me. I've had nicotine addiction before in college, qu…
> For me I can easily skip an entire day of meals. I was like that earlier in life. It didn't last forever.
I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…
> lacks the [...] bioavailability of real animal protein I never understood this argument: what's the problem with consuming proportionately more to make up for the reduction? I'm not rushing to demand IV tylenol because its oral bioavailability is only 80%-90%, which is around the "loss" we're talking for plant vs animal protein on average. And the ultraprocessing should improve plant's profile here.
I feel like it'll take another 5 years for this "bio-availability" myth to die out.
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Tofu is so ridiculously OP in terms of nutrition, production costs, and culinary versatility. It's a shame society here in the US is so strongly stymied by the manipulative meat lobby.
As someone who is frugal AF and open minded... I think you are overstating Tofu. But honestly I'm mostly eating for nutrition rather than taste. Tofu doesnt hit the numbers I need.
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> Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers Not sure what health-conscious people you know, but I'd hazard to guess that most would choose the patty made from a single natural ingredient that's been a staple of the human diet since the dawn of man over the ultra-processed slurry of starches and oils.
You may have a point about processing, but I think by talking about "most people" you have invalidated any future points you may be trying to make. For example: "single natural ingredient" not every cow is only fed with grass, and what about that grass, has it been treated, etc... also Neu5Gc Mammal meat contains it, Humans have lost the enzyme (perhaps over that time since "the dawn of man"), it causes inflammation.…
Chimpanzees eat plenty of meat. They particularly enjoy hunting and eating monkeys, for example.
One of the underrated ways of reducing meat consumption, imo, would be to mix a certain percentage of plant-based meat to regular meat products. Imagine a world in which McDonald's would just mix 20% plant-based meet to their patties. I can see some risk for them, but honestly, long-term, I don't think people would actually mind much.
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> Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers Not sure what health-conscious people you know, but I'd hazard to guess that most would choose the patty made from a single natural ingredient that's been a staple of the human diet since the dawn of man over the ultra-processed slurry of starches and oils.
The "dawn of man" was perhaps 100,000 years ago. Humans, in some regions, have been raising cattle for maybe 10% of that time. And for almost all of that 10%, beef was a luxury good eaten only on occasion except by the very rich. It was certainly not a staple food. Common people, when they ate meat, were much more likely to eat fish, sheep, and goats. Cattle were mostly raised for milk and as draught animals. There i…
This is simply not true. As soon as we were able, we ate almost all megafauna to extinction. Once we mastered pastoralism, peoples who engaged in it continued eating high-meat diets. Even for more settled peoples, going up to medieval or colonial times, beef or other meat was often present in a daily stew in some form.