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Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by MarsIronPI »

jacobgkau wrote: post #18
mikestorrent wrote: post #3

I don't like this whole thing, but compared to what I was fearing would happen, this idea is nowhere near as bad. What I expected was that we'd end up with the OS vendors actually being mandated to really do age verification, and then submitting that using Web Credentials and Secure Attestation so that the far end could trust the whole thing, locking open-source OS's out of the mix and creating more of a walled garde…

Yeah, the laws in CA, CO, and now IL are essentially just mandating generally available OS's implement a standardized, local parental control system. Detractors will say parents should just install existing parental control software, even though it's existed in its current form for decades and is obviously not effective. And they'll say it should be the parents' responsibility to enforce what their kids are doing wit…

> Yeah, the laws in CA, CO, and now IL are essentially just mandating generally available OS's implement a standardized, local parental control system.

Except what about my OS which doesn't have parental controls and can't reasonably be expected to provide them because who's gonna do it and be responsible for it?

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by MarsIronPI »

jacobgkau wrote: post #241
dormento wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parents can already do that. Its called "parenting". The fact that they won't even though there are (non-required!) tools they could be using to do so is baffling to me. > if the kids lie during setup, it's on the parents Pretty much a "Yes, and?" scenario. See above. > The arguments I've heard against it are almost all slippery-slope (e.g. "they're gonna do this first, and then add ID requirements next year, bec…

I already responded to what you're saying in my initial comment. I'll expand for you. > The fact that they won't even though there are (non-required!) tools they could be using to do so is baffling to me. My parents set me up with an AOL account when we first got a computer and dial-up internet. At first, I was kind of required to go through the AOL desktop application to browse the web since that's how we connected…

OK, I'm going to ask a potentially-dumb question: why are we trying to stop kids who want porn from getting it? As I see it, part of parenting should be telling your children what's not good for them and why. As a kid, if I had seen a case of beer left out I wouldn't have gotten drunk because I wouldn't have wanted to. Likewise I wouldn't have gone to porn sites because I wouldn't have wanted to.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by Dylan16807 »

fn-mote wrote: post #299
Dylan16807 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option A isn't really the status quo. The status quo has a bunch of sites doing invasive checks and other sites region blocking users. > Only large incumbents will have no trouble paying for the measures required to ensure compliance. Oh my gawwwwwd. People trot this out any time any regulation is mentioned. Option B is a single easily accessible age category value. It's simpler than the status quo.

> Option B is […] simpler than the status quo. This bill FORBIDS platforms from operating in the state unless they provide age verification. Forbid an OS for operating in Illinois? Sounds insane to me. When I bring my Linux laptop from California, what happens?

I'm not really focused on the exact wording of this bill. But mandating distros have a useradd and glibc with an extra couple functions is not a significant burden.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

alistairSH wrote: post #211
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #195

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That requires trusting a government with a power that is likely to be abused.

But they already know my age (and my address, and my SS#, and my income, and a whole bunch of other stuff).

They don't know your full behavioral profile. They also may be willing to sell that data to third parties who use it for nefarious purposes.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by MarsIronPI »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #32

The "one weird trick" that all government hates? Stop forcing OSes to function with accounts. "User account" is an artifact of UNIX. You don't need an account to start a car, send and email, nor boot an operating system. I know it's hard to grasp, but it's true.

Nice username btw.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by MarsIronPI »

jdprgm wrote: post #289

What the hell is going on. Why does it seem like largely out of nowhere there is suddenly such a dramatic push on age verification and internet censorship popping up literally all over the world at the same time.

Meta seems to be pushing for it to cover their liability.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by MarsIronPI »

autoexec wrote: post #250
SilverElfin wrote: post #152

Every single sponsor of this bill is a Democrat. Why is that? I would think they’re against the type of puritanical moralizing that is behind most age verification bills.

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by longislandguido »

favorited wrote: post #197
longislandguido wrote: post #164

The most progressive states doing exactly what their constituents elected them to do. I don't understand why everyone is so surprised.

"Progressive states" like Utah, Texas, and Louisiana? https://le.utah.gov/~2025/bills/static/SB0142.html https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/billtext/html/SB02420S... https://www.legis.la.gov/Legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1427667

Literally every single thing you linked to is completely unrelated to the topic at hand.

Those are all specifically targeted at mobile app stores—which already verify age—and have nothing to do with general purpose operating systems or their account creation.

Try moving the goalposts more carefully next time.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by jjtheblunt »

MarsIronPI wrote: post #297
dmitrygr wrote: post #48

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This. IL and MA follow whatever CA does with a few year lag. Considerations of sanity never enter into the discussion.

As an Illinoisan, this kind of stuff makes me want to leave and get somewhere sane. Anybody have recommendations? What places don't have this kind of insanity?

As an Illinoisan who left 23 years ago for work in California, worked a summer in Massachusetts, now in Arizona, i think the answer is Antarctica.
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