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Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by mech422 »

mgfist wrote: post #78
Slow_Hand wrote: post #7

If I’m not mistaken, Meta has been lobbying heavily for all of these age-verification bills lately. It seems their strategy is to externalize their responsibility to verify age themselves, and thus reduce their exposure to liabilities when child protection acts like COPPA are violated.

It should be externalized to a degree. Facebook shouldn't be the ones verifying age, but there should be a trusted 3rd party service that does that, which just tells facebook "yes this user is old enough to use your service" or "no they're not old enough". It abso-fucking-lutely should not be at the OS level though, for so many reasons. Even the implementation alone would be a nightmare. Do I need to input my ID to u…

I'm surprised that people think this is some new 'save-the-children' thing ? Didn't Zuck say like 10 years ago, you should not be allowed to be anonymous on the internet ? This just seems on-brand at this point.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by kazinator »

mgfist wrote: post #78
Slow_Hand wrote: post #7

If I’m not mistaken, Meta has been lobbying heavily for all of these age-verification bills lately. It seems their strategy is to externalize their responsibility to verify age themselves, and thus reduce their exposure to liabilities when child protection acts like COPPA are violated.

It should be externalized to a degree. Facebook shouldn't be the ones verifying age, but there should be a trusted 3rd party service that does that, which just tells facebook "yes this user is old enough to use your service" or "no they're not old enough". It abso-fucking-lutely should not be at the OS level though, for so many reasons. Even the implementation alone would be a nightmare. Do I need to input my ID to u…

> but there should be a trusted 3rd party service that does that

No, there shouldn't be any such thing; everyone pushing for any shape of this should just bugger off.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by SilverElfin »

ThinkingGuy wrote: post #203
SilverElfin wrote: post #152

Every single sponsor of this bill is a Democrat. Why is that? I would think they’re against the type of puritanical moralizing that is behind most age verification bills.

You must be too young to remember Tipper Gore... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipper_Gore

Oh I remember. I just assumed things have changed enough, and that the threat of theocratic ideology - what’s behind project 2025 - would have made such stances unacceptable. My guess is this has more to do with lobbying and donor interest.

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Post by boyoboy »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #163
inetknght wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It should be externalized to a degree. Why? We don't externalize age verification when buying alcohol or visiting the strip club. It's on the responsibility of those establishments to verify age.

In those in-person contexts, the identification document is still externalized - they're checking a government-issued photo ID in the vast majority of situations. It works for the in-person context because it's a physical object, making it easier to control access to it. A high resolution picture of the same ID is a privacy problem as it can be copied, shared, transferred, etc without the knowledge of the ID holder.

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Post by justcool393 »

pizzathyme wrote: post #219
duskdozer wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the solution is to remove the bits of those apps that are harmful to children (and adults): the algorithmic data feed, the infinite scroll, the engagement tactics, the advertising

but how can you remove adult-only features for children only without knowing the age?

don't do harmful things is pretty easy and can apply to adults too!

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Post by ronsor »

pizzathyme wrote: post #219
duskdozer wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the solution is to remove the bits of those apps that are harmful to children (and adults): the algorithmic data feed, the infinite scroll, the engagement tactics, the advertising

but how can you remove adult-only features for children only without knowing the age?

They're saying we should remove the features in general because they're anti-features harmful to everyone, and focusing on children distracts from that fact.

This conclusion is up for debate, but that's what they mean.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by davorak »

mgfist wrote: post #78
Slow_Hand wrote: post #7

If I’m not mistaken, Meta has been lobbying heavily for all of these age-verification bills lately. It seems their strategy is to externalize their responsibility to verify age themselves, and thus reduce their exposure to liabilities when child protection acts like COPPA are violated.

It should be externalized to a degree. Facebook shouldn't be the ones verifying age, but there should be a trusted 3rd party service that does that, which just tells facebook "yes this user is old enough to use your service" or "no they're not old enough". It abso-fucking-lutely should not be at the OS level though, for so many reasons. Even the implementation alone would be a nightmare. Do I need to input my ID to u…

> trusted 3rd party service

So we have to pay some 3rd party service to hoard information about Children? Why we want to set that up? Why would we want to take that power from the parents and give it to some company?

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by davorak »

inetknght wrote: post #151
mgfist wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be externalized to a degree. Facebook shouldn't be the ones verifying age, but there should be a trusted 3rd party service that does that, which just tells facebook "yes this user is old enough to use your service" or "no they're not old enough". It abso-fucking-lutely should not be at the OS level though, for so many reasons. Even the implementation alone would be a nightmare. Do I need to input my ID to u…

> It should be externalized to a degree. Why? We don't externalize age verification when buying alcohol or visiting the strip club. It's on the responsibility of those establishments to verify age.

> Why?

I think that main goal would be to keep the ability to have accounts be anonymous or pseudo anonymous.

If social mean company has to verify an accounts age themselves they then have to use some for of official government identification and with that any chance of anonymous or pseudo anonymous access.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by adi_kurian »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #158
pianoben wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, and hear me out, _maybe our computers shouldn't spy on us in the first place_?

I'm reminded of a video essay I watched about AI once, which took a side tangent into surveillance capitalism: "Google's data harvesting operation became a load bearing piece of the Internet before the public understood digital privacy. And now we can't get rid of it." The public has been conditioned to expect web services free at point of use. Legitimately it's hard to monetize things like YouTube without ads, and I…

You are not crazy for thinking that.

However it appears that it takes pretty disasterous consequences for us to be able to walk anything back.

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