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Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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"Underrepresentation does not equal racism" contradicts the academic party line ("systemic racism"). If a white person said something like that, they would get a lecture in "denying privilege". If an asian person said it, he would be ignored. But I agree that the author's way of thinking is far healthier for any given individual. Which is why the author is so successful.

What do you mean by "academic party line"? The university system is not a party (let alone a communist party). Phrases like "denying privilege" are not general to all of academia, they are specific to certain people. What is your interest in portraying all academics as people who deliver lectures in denying privilege (or whatever)?

Leave the people who develop knowledge and disseminate it for the rest of society alone with your political agenda.

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, note I'm not endorsing the Bell Curve, but exploring the implications. There isn't a consensus on sex-linked differences in IQ, but none of the realistic studies show anything close to a 1+ SD shift. You see results like a 0.33 SD shift or a 1 point narrower standard deviation. What you see on the SAT Math is a 0.3 shift in mean and a slightly narrower SD. Also, as a practical matter, engineering is not a prof…

Yes, the whole discussion is predicated on if Bell Curve were accurate. I'd gone back to race, not gender. I think I've seen studies which say African-Americans are as much as a sigma below general population of the US, and certain Jewish or Asian populations are a sigma above, which is 2 sigma net, which is HUGE. I don't know if I buy these studies, but to the extent that IQ measures scholastic aptitude and culture…

The race issue... well it's just not my little pet issue, LOL. My point is that I see these arguments being brought up in the context of women in engineering, not just minorities, and the underlying math doesn't support the conclusions even if we use the studies that are more favorable to the point. The numbers I've seen Richard Flynn throw around are a 1:5.5 ratio of women to men at 155+ (almost 4SD). While 1:5.5 is just a little under the representation of women in engineering, the 155+ figure is far beyond what you'd find for a practicing engineer. It might characterize the set of engineering professors at top schools.

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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Excellent article, full of excellent thoughts and ideas. I hope it'll remain frontpage material to clear some misrepresentations. "Heard Yeezy was racist, well, I guess that’s on one basis, I only like green faces." I guess I'm like Kanye then: I'm green-biased, because in the end, that's the only thing that matter - profits :-) "Underrepresentation does not equal racism" is also a great idea to cite - who cares abou…

Profits are what matters

No, opportunity is what matters. "Underrepresentation does not equal racism" is true but it may (and I stress "may") be an indicator of disparate impact, and so underrepresentation shouldn't be dismissed.

Paul Judge worked his way to the top, and I'm happy for him. That doesn't mean that the only reason other folks haven't (of any race/gender/background) is because they didn't work hard enough.

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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post #4

"Underrepresentation does not equal racism" contradicts the academic party line ("systemic racism"). If a white person said something like that, they would get a lecture in "denying privilege". If an asian person said it, he would be ignored. But I agree that the author's way of thinking is far healthier for any given individual. Which is why the author is so successful.

What do you mean by "academic party line"? The university system is not a party (let alone a communist party). Phrases like "denying privilege" are not general to all of academia, they are specific to certain people. What is your interest in portraying all academics as people who deliver lectures in denying privilege (or whatever)? Leave the people who develop knowledge and disseminate it for the rest of society alon…

I have never heard an academic in a race-studies, Sociology, or Communications department seriously grapple with criticisms of the "systemic racism" hypothesis for the white/black performance gap, and nor have I heard any other hypothesis offered. Students and professors outside those departments dutifully recite the same theories. As far as I can see, academia is a den of groupthink and cultural Marxism when it comes to such issues.

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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Excellent article, full of excellent thoughts and ideas. I hope it'll remain frontpage material to clear some misrepresentations. "Heard Yeezy was racist, well, I guess that’s on one basis, I only like green faces." I guess I'm like Kanye then: I'm green-biased, because in the end, that's the only thing that matter - profits :-) "Underrepresentation does not equal racism" is also a great idea to cite - who cares abou…

So the last line made me think: why do I hate the idea of the All-American Basketball Alliance[1], but support programs to increase diversity in software?

But it's not a contradiction: I have seen nothing to lead me to believe that a talented player of any race will not get a fair chance in the NBA. It's all about winning, but the opportunity is there for everyone.

So isn't SV all about winning too? Yes, it is—but we know a lot less about what leads to winning. There are no draft combines where everyone gets show what they can do. Nobody writes code competitively directly against other programmers on TV to prove they can produce at a high level. Companies play it by ear. The NBA knows how to evaluate talent. We don't.

Here's a fun example: "PayPal once rejected a candidate who aced all the engineering tests because for fun, the guy said that he liked to play hoops. That single sentence lost him the job. No PayPal people would ever have used the world “hoops.” Probably no one even knew how to play “hoops.” Basketball would be bad enough. But “hoops?” That guy clearly wouldn’t have fit in. He’d have had to explain to the team why he was going to go play hoops on a Thursday night. And no one would have understood him."[2]

Welp, guess I wouldn't have been able to get hired at PayPal. Not only do I like to play basketball, I've said "shooting hoops" a lot. You're going to turn down someone who aced your tests because of a hobby and the phrase he used to describe it? You really think that's the secret to success? You're flying by the seat of your pants in a world without good metrics and you don't know which things you did contributed to your success and which things didn't. You're actively discouraging diversity of culture (which is not directly the same thing as diversity of gender/race, but it makes it a lot harder to have the latter).

And it's that still-sometimes-present active discouragement of diversity that I find frustrating about many parts of the programmer community.

[1] a basketball league venture in the southern US that required players be white, that I believe folded quickly a couple of years ago

[2] http://blakemasters.tumblr.com/post/21437840885/peter-thiels...

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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Excellent article, full of excellent thoughts and ideas. I hope it'll remain frontpage material to clear some misrepresentations. "Heard Yeezy was racist, well, I guess that’s on one basis, I only like green faces." I guess I'm like Kanye then: I'm green-biased, because in the end, that's the only thing that matter - profits :-) "Underrepresentation does not equal racism" is also a great idea to cite - who cares abou…

So the last line made me think: why do I hate the idea of the All-American Basketball Alliance[1], but support programs to increase diversity in software? But it's not a contradiction: I have seen nothing to lead me to believe that a talented player of any race will not get a fair chance in the NBA. It's all about winning, but the opportunity is there for everyone. So isn't SV all about winning too? Yes, it is—but we…

IMHO, it may be a contradiction - there is no need for any specific program to encourage some specific group (even if one is a member of a given group, and could take advantage of the program for profit in the short run, because one don't get better in the long run by having it easier it the short run)

I can't say anything about paypal - I wasn't there, and I don't like to pass judgements.

But if they indeed were that dumb not to hire a good candidate only for the sports he plays, it's no wonder their product sucks more an more. Personally, I'm eagerly waiting for a competitor until bitcoin gets more momentum.

BTW one thing I'd like to say - the opportunity in coding is there for everyone - it's even more open than the NBA because the judge is the market, and with the current technology everyone can easily start a tech company and compete globally.

It's a pure and perfect competition.

There's no need to be hired be a company - you create your company and show your product to the market. If it works, if it does what people need, you will get money.

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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post #16

Excellent article, full of excellent thoughts and ideas. I hope it'll remain frontpage material to clear some misrepresentations. "Heard Yeezy was racist, well, I guess that’s on one basis, I only like green faces." I guess I'm like Kanye then: I'm green-biased, because in the end, that's the only thing that matter - profits :-) "Underrepresentation does not equal racism" is also a great idea to cite - who cares abou…

> "Underrepresentation does not equal racism" is also a great idea to cite - who cares about one's representation?

It does not 'equal' racism, but then again I don't want to even use the word "racism" in a discussion unless I'm 100% confident everybody agrees on the definition. All too often in discussions like this, I encounter people who have their own pet definitions for the meaning of words like "equality" and "freedom" and "racism/racist."

Now I'm guessing you are posting a rhetorical question, but I'll answer it as if you have an open mind and want to hear from people with a diversity of viewpoints. I don't measure results by representation, but I care deeply about removing obstacles to equal representation

> Profits are what matters

To you. Not to me. Or at least, not more than equality of opportunity.

http://raganwald.posterous.com/the-keep

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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post #16

Excellent article, full of excellent thoughts and ideas. I hope it'll remain frontpage material to clear some misrepresentations. "Heard Yeezy was racist, well, I guess that’s on one basis, I only like green faces." I guess I'm like Kanye then: I'm green-biased, because in the end, that's the only thing that matter - profits :-) "Underrepresentation does not equal racism" is also a great idea to cite - who cares abou…

Well it depends. Your argument about too few white players is a little misleading. Lots of white athletes go into other professional sports (football, baseball, hockey, soccer).

On the flipside, it's pretty hard for Latin American, African American, and Asian Americans to be full-time actors as most American shows/movies cast Caucasian Americans. Doesn't matter how good an actor the individual is if they are excluded purely because of their race.

Re: How To Be A Successful (African) American in Silicon Valley

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As an aside, I am amazed how much conversation CNN's story has fueled and continues to fuel...and it has been so many years! Whether it was a good representation or not, it was one of the first to really discuss the topic, and there is a lot of value in that.

Yep. That and I'm sure that it sparked more people of color to move upon tech.
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