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Sci-Fi Short Film “There Is No Antimemetics Division” [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The Big Bad Thing has so many manifestations that it feels like monster of the week rather than a true full book that holds onto a core sharply executed identity." This is one of the structural weaknesses in the entire SCP... motif, for lack of a better word. When a core part of the premise is "you can't understand it, not even in principle, if you think you understand it you're wrong", the premise does some fairly…

I agree sci-fi is an outlier on this, but I also think all stories compete on setting to some extent. Fantasy most obviously (Tolkien, JK Rowling). But also for example the Jazz Age setting of The Great Gatsby contributed a lot to the novel's popularity and was a bit fictionalized, hard boiled detective writers like Hammett or Chandler wrote about a crime-filled world that was fictionalized for appeal, historical rom…

Larry Niven isn't referring to merely an "unusual" setting in his quote (which I've never managed to find referenced online, unfortunately), but to the way in science fiction you are creating the setting from scratch. Gatsby is set in the Jazz Age, and you can pick up some aspects of it from that, but it is still in the stock set of settings the author expected you to have some ideas about, so it doesn't explain how cars work or how doors open. And by that, I don't mean the sort of "explain" at an engineering level, but things like "how combadges work" in Star Trek, i.e., when they work, when they don't, what can be sent on them, what failures they are prone to, etc. Even something as fantastic as Tolkien is still generally set in a particular milieu and he is adding very skillful and numerous brush strokes to a genre that existed already.

You've read many stories set in all the settings you mentioned. You have never read a story in which the fundamental shape of space-time is two time dimensions and two space dimensions before, unless you have also read Dichronauts. This is the supplementary material to the novel, which is mostly not in the novel and is not the story itself, just the background: https://gregegan.net/DICHRONAUTS/01/World.html You don't need that provided for something set in the Jazz Age, or a fantasy story explicitly based on myths that had been floating around for centuries, or a historical fantasy. Someone could write some equivalent, but you don't need it; it's already loaded into your head. That's the point.

Re: Sci-Fi Short Film “There Is No Antimemetics Division” [video]

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Interesting that there are two versions that I know of! I watched this one first, and I prefer it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-IiVeGAydE . I like the actress who plays Wheeler better (no disrespect to Jasika Nicole, she does a good job too and I loved her in Fringe), and the script seems to stick closer to the original short story form from the website. Is this new short based on the book? If so, it seems the d…

IMHO The writing and acting are much better in this new one. The way the fake agent was revealed is far superior, and so was how the pills were introduced and handed over. The original is fine, but it has a lot of "and now for this!" moments that just don't flow into each other. This new one spends time building trust between the two characters, the resolution feels earned and not just handed out for the sake of the…

Oh, don't get me wrong, I liked this one. I would definitely watch the rest of the stories with this cast and director!

Maybe it's just a case of having watched the other version first.

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I jumped into the book after hearing all the buzz as it seemed like the big scifi hit of 2025. Killer premise and for the most part the fast pacing works... for the first third or so. But it you can feel the short story anthology vibe as it goes on and becomes practically a disconnected series of vignettes, and even the central idea itself loses cohesion. The Big Bad Thing has so many manifestations that it feels lik…

I read it based on a reddit search for 'good sci fi books' and that's it. Going in with no hype or expectations and I thought it was great. PS. HNers, any good sci-fi book recommendations?

I feel like I have to mention "The Sky So Big and Black" by John Barnes. IMO, rather underrated. Hadn't really read any good Mars-based science fiction before.

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Very nice. This is up there with my favorite DUST short film, "Final Offer". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv8kOzRZK8g

That's a great find. My personal favourite so far from Dust is "Laboratory Conditions": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N25e4Ss34Q

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Lots of people familiar with the material here, but as somone with zero context, I watched the film and I don't get it. Is it something where you need to know the backstory to get the importance? The premise just seems quite thin: (Spoiler alert) the guy behind the desk had his mind erased and the guy with the gun is an impostor. Is there more to it than that?

> Is there more to it than that?

Yes, there is. I can see how someone not already familiar with the material would feel lost.

First, it's based on SCP, as other people have mentioned. Second, it's very dialogue/monologue driven, there's lots of exposition about a shared universe, vaguely hinted at, secret government agencies, conspiracies, etc.

The author chose a very topic which by definition is hard to understand: ideas (or memes) that do NOT want to be remembered. So a lot of what happens is discussing "dangerous" ideas that do not want to be remembered or discussed. There's a larger overarching plot, split across several related stories.

The guy with the gun was one such idea embodied in the physical shape of a man. It was confusing the boss on purpose. Wheeler was on to him from the beginning (because her boss doesn't have an assistant), but needed to get her boss on board with the idea first, before shooting the "assistant". Everything she does in the dialogue has this goal.

Re: Sci-Fi Short Film “There Is No Antimemetics Division” [video]

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Lots of people familiar with the material here, but as somone with zero context, I watched the film and I don't get it. Is it something where you need to know the backstory to get the importance? The premise just seems quite thin: (Spoiler alert) the guy behind the desk had his mind erased and the guy with the gun is an impostor. Is there more to it than that?

I think the story is written in a much better way than this video presents it: https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/we-need-to-talk-about-fifty-fiv... I know it's not polite to armchair-critique a thing I could never have created myself, but I don't think this is a particularly good adaptation of this story. One change, I think, completely robs it of some of its impact, and I would have handled something else differently as…

> One change, I think, completely robs it of some of its impact

Which one?

One thing I didn't like from this adaptation is that the thought-devouring idea doesn't live inside Wheeler's mind, like in the story. They made it into a CGI blob. But I suppose the story is confusing enough, so making it invisible would have been too much.

Re: Sci-Fi Short Film “There Is No Antimemetics Division” [video]

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Lots of people familiar with the material here, but as somone with zero context, I watched the film and I don't get it. Is it something where you need to know the backstory to get the importance? The premise just seems quite thin: (Spoiler alert) the guy behind the desk had his mind erased and the guy with the gun is an impostor. Is there more to it than that?

You're missing a bit, like there is an entire top secert division of people that fight against mind erasing aliens, and there are a large variety of mind erasing aliens.

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Did anybody else find the original story mediocre stuff? Interesting premise, but neither novel nor that deep. PKD has done 100x with much less.

I did find the introductory short story (this one) brilliant, as it's short, shows a clever and surprising inversion of roles midway, but especially because the premise- antimemetics- is actually extremely interesting. I even wonder if it has been developed seriously- I mean the study of antimemes as a communication/ propaganda technique. It's true that the whole novel, despite a few good moments, seems mostly intere…

> I even wonder if it has been developed seriously- I mean the study of antimemes as a communication/ propaganda technique.

Tell me you can't see the fnords without telling me...

Re: Sci-Fi Short Film “There Is No Antimemetics Division” [video]

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I jumped into the book after hearing all the buzz as it seemed like the big scifi hit of 2025. Killer premise and for the most part the fast pacing works... for the first third or so. But it you can feel the short story anthology vibe as it goes on and becomes practically a disconnected series of vignettes, and even the central idea itself loses cohesion. The Big Bad Thing has so many manifestations that it feels lik…

The core pitch becomes quite formulaic. It's a fun kind of formulaic, but all the SCPs are made from the same relatively small set of moving parts, painted with different colours and textures for each specific monster. But as a concept it's still one of the freshest things to appear in SF this century, and it's a wonderful contrast to more standard action hero SF.

Right. I respect it for what it is, and there are elements that are amazing and deeply thought out. But there's an alternate universe where the whole of it is a big cohesive vision statement in the metaphysical/visionary subgenre of Scifi a la Blindsight by Peter Watts or Annihilation by Jeff VanderMeer. But has that potential but where it lands is closer to monster-of-the-week in book form.
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