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Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by intrasight »

Lerc wrote: post #68
tyre wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could require government ID to sign up and an adult sponsor to certify accounts for kids. Plus a limit on how many accounts an adult can sponsor. It would be a mess, but solve the problem. It’s not that we don’t have the technology, we just don’t want to because the friction would decimate user numbers and engagement; it would be much simpler to regulate (e.g. usage limits on minors); and minors are less monetiz…

I think the public in general woul be happier with the office on the moon idea than compulsory Government ID requirements to use services.

It's only required for services that require it. The states are also regulating which services those are.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by gruez »

intrasight wrote: post #127
gruez wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They could require government ID to sign up and an adult sponsor to certify accounts for kids. Plus a limit on how many accounts an adult can sponsor. Requiring all online account creation to go through some government vouching system sounds far worse for privacy than OS doing age verification.

OS-based age verification would also have to use a government ID. There is no alternatives to a government ID for such verification.

>OS-based age verification would also have to use a government ID.

Source? Another commenter claims the opposite: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47416653

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by anthk »

hypeatei wrote: post #85
strongpigeon wrote: post #28

People here seem very against this, but I don't really see it. This only require to have a form asking about your age and provide an API to read it, right? Surely I'm missing something? Is the backlash due to fear of a slippery slope?

What if I don't want my computer asking for my age and providing an API to give up that information? Why is the government mandating software devs to add bloat and privacy violating features to operating systems? The slippery slope isn't a fallacy in this case as we've seen the pot slowly come to a boil after 9/11 with various laws like the Patriot Act, FISA, etc. and classified programs within the NSA (and I'm sure…

Meanwhile Epstein and the pedo elite are untouchable and with no surveillance of course.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by 1718627440 »

bink wrote: post #103
inkysigma wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except none of these bills (California or the one in question) as currently written require an ID to actually be verified, merely that the user provide an age. This seems intentional as it's seems to solve the user journey where a parent is able to set a reasonable default by simply setting up an associated account age at account creation. It's effectively just standardizing parental controls. I think this is a reaso…

Kids aren't stupid. They'll just create another account when they're old enough to figure it out. They'll tell their friends how to do it and the rest of us will be stuck with these stupid prompts forever like it's a cookie banner.

I mean on a UNIX OS you could make it yet another group the user needs to be part of. Like the group for access to optical media or for changing network credentials. Whether the child gets root access is on the parent, but that is like with anything else. A child can get around this, but it means finding and exploiting a 0-day on the OS. If they are able to pull this of I would congratulate them.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by ezfe »

Slow_Hand wrote: post #7

If I’m not mistaken, Meta has been lobbying heavily for all of these age-verification bills lately. It seems their strategy is to externalize their responsibility to verify age themselves, and thus reduce their exposure to liabilities when child protection acts like COPPA are violated.

Is there a problem with this? Most users are using an iPhone and most iPhones already know the accurate age of their user

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by BoredomIsFun »

naikrovek wrote: post #104
JCattheATM wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the start of a very slippery slope.

Slippery slopes are a logical fallacy. Every single decision moving you down the slope is intentional. No sliding occurs if nothing actively pushes things down the slide. Accordingly, it is never too late to lobby against these things.

> Slippery slopes are a logical fallacy. Every single decision moving you down the slope is intentional.

    First they came for the Communists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Communist

    Then they came for the Socialists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Socialist

    Then they came for the trade unionists
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a trade unionist

    Then they came for the Jews
    And I did not speak out
    Because I was not a Jew

    Then they came for me
    And there was no one left
    To speak out for me

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by ezfe »

mattnewton wrote: post #74
glitchc wrote: post #53

The law as is written mainly targets social media platforms. For an OS to comply, all it needs to do is provide a field during account creation that records the user's date of birth as supplied by the user. There is no onus on the operator to confirm the veracity of this information, or even record it anywhere other than the local OS install itself. I think we're safe.

Seems like a slippery slope. Now the infrastructure is there to ask apple, Google and microsoft to confirm identity with selfies over the internet.

That infrastructure is literally already there. It's done and live in some areas.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by ezfe »

zardo wrote: post #106
Aunche wrote: post #69

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People are making way too big a deal of this IMO. This is basically the OS equivalent of that checkbox you click to enter a porn website that gets exposed to Meta, so they can claim that they did what they all the they could to protect children if they get sued by parents. Any determined kid would figure out a way around this, but I can see it stopping younger and less determined kids, and it's a useful tool for pare…

Wouldn't a some kind of technical standard proposal be a more sensible way to do this than trying to pass OS laws state by state?

iOS (for example) already has that technical standard in place and usable.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by [deleted] »

naikrovek wrote: post #104
JCattheATM wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the start of a very slippery slope.

Slippery slopes are a logical fallacy. Every single decision moving you down the slope is intentional. No sliding occurs if nothing actively pushes things down the slide. Accordingly, it is never too late to lobby against these things.

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