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Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by JCattheATM »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #40
hypeatei wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it matter specifically that Meta is doing it? This has long been a goal for intelligence apparatus and big tech: get rid of anonymity online to "fight terrorism" and sell ads respectively. Don't get me wrong, it's good to know but it's not earth shattering information.

> Why does it matter specifically that Meta is doing it? Their entire top leadership has shown a multi-year tendency towards psychopathy and lying. Knowing Meta is pushing this bill makes me want to understand why my views and theirs randomly agree as well as carefully read the bill text for any signs Adam Mosseri was within 500 feet of it.

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by nancyminusone »

strongpigeon wrote: post #28

People here seem very against this, but I don't really see it. This only require to have a form asking about your age and provide an API to read it, right? Surely I'm missing something? Is the backlash due to fear of a slippery slope?

I don't really see any good arguments in favor of it, so why do it? There's no reason my OS needs to know anything about me.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by akdev1l »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #39
strongpigeon wrote: post #28

People here seem very against this, but I don't really see it. This only require to have a form asking about your age and provide an API to read it, right? Surely I'm missing something? Is the backlash due to fear of a slippery slope?

I am very pro social media regulation (with regards to age gating) due to the evidenced harm it causes, and which court cases have shown these companies are well aware of internally; with that said, this is an attempt by social media companies to shift liability to keep business as usual/status quo. This is no different than what oil companies have done, cigarette companies, chemical companies who have polluted at sc…

>keep business as usual/status quo.

Umm isn’t that what we want? Or are you suggesting there should be some other legislation in place?

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by JCattheATM »

glitchc wrote: post #53

The law as is written mainly targets social media platforms. For an OS to comply, all it needs to do is provide a field during account creation that records the user's date of birth as supplied by the user. There is no onus on the operator to confirm the veracity of this information, or even record it anywhere other than the local OS install itself. I think we're safe.

It's the start of a very slippery slope.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by gruez »

tyre wrote: post #58
Lerc wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How should they do it? Surely they don't have a responsibility to do something that nobody knows how to do? There have been numerous cases in history where governments have attempted to legislate the outcome they want without regard to how that might be done or if it was possible in the first place. Obviously it can never deliver the results they want. It would be like passing a law to say every company must operate…

They could require government ID to sign up and an adult sponsor to certify accounts for kids. Plus a limit on how many accounts an adult can sponsor. It would be a mess, but solve the problem. It’s not that we don’t have the technology, we just don’t want to because the friction would decimate user numbers and engagement; it would be much simpler to regulate (e.g. usage limits on minors); and minors are less monetiz…

>They could require government ID to sign up and an adult sponsor to certify accounts for kids. Plus a limit on how many accounts an adult can sponsor.

Requiring all online account creation to go through some government vouching system sounds far worse for privacy than OS doing age verification.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by saityi »

Even if open source operating systems comply and add such a feature, what's to stop individual people from removing this and blocking the API requests before they install the OS? Or providing dummy responses? They're open source, after all.

Is the government going to require some sort of automated checks that verify every person who connects to the internet has this API on their OS and go after individuals that aren't in compliance?

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by Lerc »

tyre wrote: post #58
Lerc wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How should they do it? Surely they don't have a responsibility to do something that nobody knows how to do? There have been numerous cases in history where governments have attempted to legislate the outcome they want without regard to how that might be done or if it was possible in the first place. Obviously it can never deliver the results they want. It would be like passing a law to say every company must operate…

They could require government ID to sign up and an adult sponsor to certify accounts for kids. Plus a limit on how many accounts an adult can sponsor. It would be a mess, but solve the problem. It’s not that we don’t have the technology, we just don’t want to because the friction would decimate user numbers and engagement; it would be much simpler to regulate (e.g. usage limits on minors); and minors are less monetiz…

I think the public in general woul be happier with the office on the moon idea than compulsory Government ID requirements to use services.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by Aunche »

spullara wrote: post #2

this is completely insane. we need some kind of constitutional amendment to get rid of all this kind legislation forever.

People are making way too big a deal of this IMO. This is basically the OS equivalent of that checkbox you click to enter a porn website that gets exposed to Meta, so they can claim that they did what they all the they could to protect children if they get sued by parents. Any determined kid would figure out a way around this, but I can see it stopping younger and less determined kids, and it's a useful tool for parents.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Post by ehl0 »

Lerc wrote: post #49
Slow_Hand wrote: post #7

If I’m not mistaken, Meta has been lobbying heavily for all of these age-verification bills lately. It seems their strategy is to externalize their responsibility to verify age themselves, and thus reduce their exposure to liabilities when child protection acts like COPPA are violated.

How should they do it? Surely they don't have a responsibility to do something that nobody knows how to do? There have been numerous cases in history where governments have attempted to legislate the outcome they want without regard to how that might be done or if it was possible in the first place. Obviously it can never deliver the results they want. It would be like passing a law to say every company must operate…

bad take man. these companies don't care about kids; they just want to take the responsivity off of themselves. they don't actually put any money towards child safety.
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