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Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

#31

I wonder how this will mix wit federal laws saying you aren't allowed to track users under the age of 13yo? Will this then be forced as a browser API/header passed to every server/request?

Yeah but if so, what does it have to do with the OS itself, i.e. outside the browser?

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

#32
The "one weird trick" that all government hates? Stop forcing OSes to function with accounts. "User account" is an artifact of UNIX. You don't need an account to start a car, send and email, nor boot an operating system. I know it's hard to grasp, but it's true.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

#33
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Why suddenly are all of the blue states doing this BS? What is going on and what control is this affording the government?

Blue states: paternalism over your property, liberty for your body

Red states: paternalism over your body, liberty for your property

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1rsn1tm/it_a...

Really, I’m surprised that for all of the discussions on HN around these individual statewide acts that I see so little discussion of Meta as a primary force pushing them.

I wonder if Meta monitors their employees comments on HN?

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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this is completely insane. we need some kind of constitutional amendment to get rid of all this kind legislation forever.

it's entirely possible such nonsense is all show, and wouldn't be passed, however.

i'm from illinois, worked in california, and no longer live in either. from afar, it seems that whatever california bureaucrats propose, after a short delay, gets proposed by their little sibling bureaucrats in illinois.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1rsn1tm/it_a...

Really, I’m surprised that for all of the discussions on HN around these individual statewide acts that I see so little discussion of Meta as a primary force pushing them.

Why does it matter specifically that Meta is doing it? This has long been a goal for intelligence apparatus and big tech: get rid of anonymity online to "fight terrorism" and sell ads respectively.

Don't get me wrong, it's good to know but it's not earth shattering information.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

#37

The "one weird trick" that all government hates? Stop forcing OSes to function with accounts. "User account" is an artifact of UNIX. You don't need an account to start a car, send and email, nor boot an operating system. I know it's hard to grasp, but it's true.

What's the "user account" for an iPhone? Sure you might have to sign into icloud, but that's not mandatory. It's effectively a single user system.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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> For the record, I don’t care enough about age verification. Whether the law passes or not, I don’t really care. Sounds like there actually would be some benefit commenting about it on HN.

No one who matters uses HN or cares about HN. The handful of us on HN who are in or near a position to affect change are basically here due to habit or $#itposting until we get banned. So they are right in that sense - commenting on HN is cathartic but ultimately useless. And the people who matter and are against this also don't use HN because they view this platform as toxic and reactionary.

There are software engineers who directly work for the platforms lobbying for this whom post here.

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

#39

People here seem very against this, but I don't really see it. This only require to have a form asking about your age and provide an API to read it, right? Surely I'm missing something? Is the backlash due to fear of a slippery slope?

I am very pro social media regulation (with regards to age gating) due to the evidenced harm it causes, and which court cases have shown these companies are well aware of internally; with that said, this is an attempt by social media companies to shift liability to keep business as usual/status quo. This is no different than what oil companies have done, cigarette companies, chemical companies who have polluted at scale while knowing the harm, etc.

Meta and TikTok (and YouTube shorts to an extent) are the new Sackler family and Purdue pharma. They will hold on to these profit and power engines as long and hard as possible. They will not stop causing the harm unless forced to with regulation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opioid_epidemic_in_the_United_...

https://www.profgalloway.com/addiction-economy/

Re: Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, I’m surprised that for all of the discussions on HN around these individual statewide acts that I see so little discussion of Meta as a primary force pushing them.

Why does it matter specifically that Meta is doing it? This has long been a goal for intelligence apparatus and big tech: get rid of anonymity online to "fight terrorism" and sell ads respectively. Don't get me wrong, it's good to know but it's not earth shattering information.

> Why does it matter specifically that Meta is doing it?

Their entire top leadership has shown a multi-year tendency towards psychopathy and lying. Knowing Meta is pushing this bill makes me want to understand why my views and theirs randomly agree as well as carefully read the bill text for any signs Adam Mosseri was within 500 feet of it.

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