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Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Re: Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Post by genthree »

jihadjihad wrote: post #6

s/Django/the codebase/g , and the point stands against any repo for which there is code review by humans: > If you do not understand the ticket, if you do not understand the solution, or if you do not understand the feedback on your PR, then your use of LLM is hurting Django as a whole. > Django contributors want to help others, they want to cultivate community, and they want to help you become a regular contributor.…

AI autocomplete and suggestions built-in to Jira are making our ticket tracker so goddamn spammy that I’m 100% sure that “feature” has done more harm than good.

I don’t think anybody’s tracking the actual net-effects of any of this crap on productivity, just the “vibes” they get in the moment, using it. “I got my part of this particular thing done so fast!”

I believe that to be the case, in part, because not a lot of organizations are usefully tracking overall productivity to begin with. Too hard, too expensive. They might “track” it, but so poorly it’s basically meaningless. I don’t think they’ve turned that around on a dime just to see if the c-suite’s latest fad is good or bad (they never want a real answer to that kind of question anyway)

Re: Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Post by weli »

Beggars can't be choosers. I decide how and what I want to donate. If I see a cool project and I want to change something (in what I think) is an improvement, I'll clone it, have CC investigate the codebase and do the change I want, test it and if it works nicely I'll open a PR explaining why I think this is a good change.

If the maintainers don't want to merge it for whatever reasons that's fine and nature of open source, but I think its petty to tell that same user who opened the PR you should have donated money instead of tokens.

Re: Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Post by nchmy »

kshri24 wrote: post #24
keybored wrote: post #15

Incredibly milquetoast. I would not like to work with anyone who goes against these points.

Isn't the meaning of milquetoast opposite to what you are probably trying to convey?

I think they don't understand what milquetoast actually means, as the post defintiely isn't - django quite clearly asserted themselves and their rules.

What the parent comment was probably trying to say was something like "a completely reasonable, uncontroversial post that I'm glad to see them make", but chose milquetoast (a word that no normal human ever uses - and certainly not in casual conversation) due to an affectation of one kind or another.

Re: Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Post by savolai »

RobRivera wrote: post #8
jihadjihad wrote: post #6

s/Django/the codebase/g , and the point stands against any repo for which there is code review by humans: > If you do not understand the ticket, if you do not understand the solution, or if you do not understand the feedback on your PR, then your use of LLM is hurting Django as a whole. > Django contributors want to help others, they want to cultivate community, and they want to help you become a regular contributor.…

LLMs are to open source contributions as photoshop os to Tinder.

Or tinder to photoshop. Or tinder to instagram to fb to geocities to newsgroups/bbs.

Re: Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Post by doug_durham »

MidnightRider39 wrote: post #20

Great message but I wonder if the people who do everything via LLM would even care to read such a message. And at what point is it hard/impossible to judge whether something is entirely LLM or not? I sometimes struggle a lot with this being OSS maintainer myself

"the people who do everything via LLM". That's a bit of a straw man characterization. I don't believe that there are many professional developers "do everything with an LLM'. I don't even know what that statement means.

Re: Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Post by module1973 »

It's like every new innovation at this point is exacerbating the problem of us choosing short term rewards over long time horizon rewards. The incentive structure simply doesn't support people who want to view things from the bird's eye view. Once you see game theory, you really can't unsee it.

Re: Give Django your time and money, not your tokens

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Post by lijok »

By what metric is “the level of quality is much, much higher” in the Django codebase? ‘cause other than the damn thing actually working, the primary metric of a codebase being high quality is how easy it is to contribute to. And evidently, it’s not.
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