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Re: Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by Blackthorn »

Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

I'm not a vegan but I eat Beyond. The stuff is perfectly good on its own merits. The steak tips have great protein numbers, take hot sauce well, and therefore makes a great breakfast.

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Post by stinos »

mikkupikku wrote: post #312
3rodents wrote: post #307

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Since when have vegans used dog meat in a xenophobic way? The entire point of the dog meat comparison is to highlight that meat consumption is cultural and that other cultures eat animals we consider to not be food even though they are an animal that has equivalent intelligence to animals we do eat. Dogs are the perfect example, not because of xenophobia, but because they are such a plain example of hypocrisy that ca…

Vegans are constantly using dog meat in a xenophobic way, presenting it as an absurd choice that is meant to demonstrate the supposed depravity of meat eaters, even though it's wholly a cultural preference. Enough of this Motte and Bailey crap. Of course xenophobia is nothing new to most internet veganists, their whole thing is being intolerant to the culture of billions of people around the world, so a little additi…

Vegans are constantly using dog meat in a xenophobic way

You apparently have never heard or seen the fairly widespread 'the only difference is your perception' line of vegan merchandise which uses dog meat it in the opposite way: it calls out the hypocrisy of all meat-but-not-dog people. Not of a select group of people eating dog meat.

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Post by jermberj »

blackjack_ wrote: post #36
Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

I'm like technically the exact demographic they should be chasing. Plant based eater who loves the taste of meat and just stopped eating it for ethical reasons. But like, I'm not gonna eat a heavily processed food often for the reasons stated above, and also it's just not great nutritionally compared to Seitan, which also actually just tasted better when prepared right. And it also doesn't stack up compared to high p…

> once you are plant based for 3 or more years, you just don't really crave that anymore except as maybe a guilty pleasure once or twice a year.

This has been the exact opposite of my experience.

source: vegan for 14 years, vegetarian for 2 years prior to that, carnist for the initial 22 years. :)

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Post by neutronicus »

malfist wrote: post #381
Intermernet wrote: post #306

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You can make an awesome burger pattie with beef, onion, garlic, a touch of finely chopped jalapeno and some herbs and spices etc. You don't need to add salt.

Maybe awesome to you, but many people will find that exact same construction more flavorful if salt is added

It's also good for the texture if you let if rest in the fridge for a couple hours before cooking.

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Post by ben_w »

carlmr wrote: post #428
ben_w wrote: post #358

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I believe the claim being made here is that "a beyond burger" is a thing which fast food chains and supermarkets will offer as an alternative to "a beef burger", that almost nobody will make their own burgers. I have no opinion about the economics of the brand itself; as a vegetarian I've always thought they were over-priced, and also that it was a shame I don't have a huge range of alternatives, as I actually like s…

> I got a kit for making my own burgers from dehydrated soy mince and/or mashed kidney beans. Do you have a link or name for this? I also prefer black bean or lentil burgers, but I've been making them by hand really.

One of these, found in the discount bin in a nearby supermarket for about €10-20: https://www.discounto.de/Angebot/BESTRON-Hamburger-Maker-AMH...

There's probably also a cheaper source for the form and squasher if that's all you need, but it came with them so I didn't look for that separately.

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Post by gowld »

liveoneggs wrote: post #354
ricardobayes wrote: post #335

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"Loaded with sodium" is what the agrolobby wants you to think. If you knew what goes into supermarket burger patties I guarantee you would never want to touch them ever again. Look up nitrates for starter, which is used as a preservative in some meat products: burgers, hotdogs, cold cuts.

https://bubbafoods.com/nutrition/bubba-angus-beef-2lb/ Ingredients: beef https://www.beyondmeat.com/en-US/products/the-beyond-burger Ingredients: a bunch

Beef is a bunch of ingredients mixed together by a a cow.

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Post by gowld »

kulahan wrote: post #193
rcakebread wrote: post #182

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"they're lower in sodium and saturated fat than your average hamburger patty" If you buy a Beyond patty, it has way more sodium than ground beef you'd buy at a grocerty store. Comparing it with a fast food burger isn't really fair.

Not really - every single Burger King out there sells the beyond burger as far as I've seen.

Burger King sells Impossible, not Beyond.

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Post by trevorkoob »

hbn wrote: post #425
lambda wrote: post #132

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This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

> Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers Not sure what health-conscious people you know, but I'd hazard to guess that most would choose the patty made from a single natural ingredient that's been a staple of the human diet since the dawn of man over the ultra-processed slurry of starches and oils.

You may have a point about processing, but I think by talking about "most people" you have invalidated any future points you may be trying to make.

For example:

"single natural ingredient"

not every cow is only fed with grass, and what about that grass, has it been treated, etc...

also

Neu5Gc

Mammal meat contains it, Humans have lost the enzyme (perhaps over that time since "the dawn of man"), it causes inflammation.

Looking at chimpanzee diets, I don't think our common ancestor was regularly eating burgers. More likely insects and leaves...which do not contain Neu5Gc.

As a self-proclaimed "healthy person", I'm not regularly eating either of these, but unless I know where the meat comes from, I'm likely sticking to the non-inflammatory burger.

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Post by deepvibrations »

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #328
auggierose wrote: post #273

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> No, because dogs are carnivores and carnivores tend to taste bad. Interesting! If that's true, maybe it is because carnivores are less healthy.

No, if anything plant-eaters are less healthy because they have a less diverse diet. Ideally animals with a fairly high energy budget need to be omnivores, like for example humans. If you look at animals of comparable weight, all the herbivores are ruminants, or woefully unsuccessful. Even fairly small horses, for example, have a really bad time trying to get enough nutrition from their diet and if they eat a tiny bi…

Just going to address a few points here in case people believe this!

> plant-eaters are less healthy because they have a less diverse diet The idea that herbivores have a "less diverse" diet is rubbish. Lots of herbivores (like elephants or deer) eat hundreds of different plant species.

> "ruminants, or woefully unsuccessful" This is also rubbish. Horses, Rhinos, Elephants, and Rabbits are all highly successful non-ruminants.

Oh and the reason horses can die from too much is because they have a one-way digestive valve, so if they eat something toxic/gas-producing, they can suffer from colic, which can be fatal. Saying they only lived "a year or two" is pure speculation btw and they aren't "fragile" because of evolution, they are "fragile" because humans have bred them for extreme speed and aesthetics, at the cost of general health etc.

I don't know where you get your information from, but it all seems very biased or hyperbolic to fit a certain viewpoint.

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Post by gowld »

liveoneggs wrote: post #352
lambda wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

a bubba burger (grocery store frozen burger) has 90mg sodium ( https://bubbafoods.com/nutrition/bubba-angus-beef-2lb/ ) a beyond burger has 310mg https://www.beyondmeat.com/en-US/products/the-beyond-burger They are lower in fat and total calories but they are obviously more processed = salt. Even a mcdonalds burger patty (without the bun) has less salt.

McDonalds quarter pounder has less salt per oz, but the Big Mac / basic burger patties have more salt per oz or per protein gram.

https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/about-our-food/nutrition-...

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