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Post by deepvibrations »

edgyquant wrote: post #340
ricardobayes wrote: post #335

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"Loaded with sodium" is what the agrolobby wants you to think. If you knew what goes into supermarket burger patties I guarantee you would never want to touch them ever again. Look up nitrates for starter, which is used as a preservative in some meat products: burgers, hotdogs, cold cuts.

Ground beef from the butcher does not have nitrates

In my opinion, there are two options for each group:

Meat: 1. Those who buy from butcher (health conscious) 2. Those who buy packaged products from supermarket.

Vegan: 1. Those who make homemade plant-based alternatives (eg.lentil burgers) 2. Those who buy Beyond burgers from supermarket.

Hence I think most people are trying to compare apples to oranges, which is not the correct comparison to make when weighing up each type.

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Post by liveoneggs »

Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

The demographic is people who have tricked themselves into thinking there are "healthy options" at a hamburger restaurant and who are willing to pay $2 extra for that validation.

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Post by mapotofu »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #366

Haven't these guys been to a Taiwanese restaurant, they have great mock meats, and of course vegetarians have great mock meats too, love a good black bean pattie. The hubris this company shows is amazing.

They are focusing on an American palette, which is averse to things like tofu, seitan, or tempeh as they are considered not masculine enough by a significant portion of the population. This is reinforced by both genders.

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Post by Avshalom »

close04 wrote: post #290
billynomates wrote: post #247

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Health conscious ethical vegan here. I eat these fairly often. The protein content is fine. I get micronutrients from other sources. I track all my calories and macros, every single day. My diet is perfectly balanced, thanks very much. Something is only unhealthy or healthy in light of everything else you eat. It's reductive to say otherwise.

> I get micronutrients from other sources Looks like agree that it's not great but you compensate elsewhere. If you chose the "hard way" of limiting your menu to vegan why not pick the options with less compromises? Even paper can be food as long as you compensate elsewhere. > Something is only unhealthy or healthy in light of everything else you eat. It's reductive to say otherwise. Are you maybe conflating "unhealt…

Man, putting a burger between two pieces of bread with onion, lettuce, tomato and pickle isn't compensating elsewhere

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Post by barrell »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #234
barrell wrote: post #226

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This is such a weird comment. It’s ultra processed food devoid of micronutrients with low quality protein and poor bioavailability. Health conscious folks would definitely not choose this. In fact, it’s all the things you try to avoid as soon as you start being health conscious. Folks who want to believe they are being health conscious may be convinced via marketing to buy it, but anyone seriously invested in their n…

Maybe they're hoping there exists a non-crazy subset of "health conscious" population, i.e. people who are not panicly afraid of "ultra processed" food and generally don't consider food processing to be a sin, who don't see food manufacturing plants as temples of Satan, and are otherwise health conscious and not just playing the fitness fad social games.

I haven’t been eating processed foods for several decades now. Just because it’s trendy at the moment doesn’t make it wrong, nor does it make those who abstrain game players.

I would say veganism is more trendy at the moment. That doesnt discredit anything about the vegan diet.

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Post by jawilson2 »

asdff wrote: post #65
sethhochberg wrote: post #18

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High-protein everything is riding the wave of GLP-1 popularity right now. Doctors are begging people on that class of drugs to chase protein targets more similar to what might have previously been reserved for heavy weightlifters just to prevent muscle wasting. As a result, the entire packaged food industry is pumping up protein numbers and marketing it as the primary attribute of the food (where they might have prev…

I hear the most ironic stuff on glp from the people I know on it. So doctor is obviously a reasonable person with an interest in making people healthy, not trying to set up glp addicts, and are encouraging better diet and increased exercise while eventually tapering and getting them off the glp entirely as the final end goal. The whole time they are telling me this I can't help but wonder what the hell is the point o…

If you are 3-400+ pounds, quickly shedding 100+ pounds makes exercising MUCH easier, and the accompanying loss in appetite will HOPEFULLY teach you better portion sizes. Countless morbidly overweight people have tried for years/decades to lose weight, without success, and GLPs allow them to bootstrap the process.

Yes, CICO, blah blah, but overcoming food addiction by asking people to eat less is like forcing a smoker who wants to quit to work at a cigar bar or something. You can't just not buy food, especially if you have a family you have to feed.

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Post by jrjeksjd8d »

mapotofu wrote: post #373
chadcmulligan wrote: post #366

Haven't these guys been to a Taiwanese restaurant, they have great mock meats, and of course vegetarians have great mock meats too, love a good black bean pattie. The hubris this company shows is amazing.

They are focusing on an American palette, which is averse to things like tofu, seitan, or tempeh as they are considered not masculine enough by a significant portion of the population. This is reinforced by both genders.

There's no hope trying to sell "plant-based hamburger" with any name to toxic masculinity advocates who think soy feminizes you (even though seitan isn't soy). These guys are getting hospitalized from eating all-beef diets because chicken is "too feminine".

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Post by [deleted] »

lambda wrote: post #132
Grimblewald wrote: post #11

I always wondered who their demographic was. The core early adopters, the ethical vegans, who actually like the taste of plants are never going to make a lab made ultra processed salt bomb their daily driver (never mind issues surrounding industrial agriculture). Health-conscious folks would take one look at the ingredient list and bail because of the heavy processing and industrial fillers. You've got bodybuilders a…

This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

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Post by malfist »

liveoneggs wrote: post #352
lambda wrote: post #132

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This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

a bubba burger (grocery store frozen burger) has 90mg sodium ( https://bubbafoods.com/nutrition/bubba-angus-beef-2lb/ ) a beyond burger has 310mg https://www.beyondmeat.com/en-US/products/the-beyond-burger They are lower in fat and total calories but they are obviously more processed = salt. Even a mcdonalds burger patty (without the bun) has less salt.

Not everyone cares about processing or salt. And like the OP said it's not a comparison to a bean burger that matters, they weren't going to chose that anyway, it's the comparison to real meat

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Post by barrell »

lm28469 wrote: post #271
billynomates wrote: post #247

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Health conscious ethical vegan here. I eat these fairly often. The protein content is fine. I get micronutrients from other sources. I track all my calories and macros, every single day. My diet is perfectly balanced, thanks very much. Something is only unhealthy or healthy in light of everything else you eat. It's reductive to say otherwise.

Health conscious vege here, I'd never touch these things with a 10 ft pole when I can make a bean patty burger or halloumi burger for 50% of the price and 300% of the flavor

Thank you. Bean burgers are delicious. I don’t eat them as part of my normal diet, but have no qualms with them and could always share a meal with my vegan friends.

Nowadays it’s all fake meat products which I would never put in my body, and there’s this weird social pressure where I’m being silly by “refusing to eat vegan foods”.

Fruits and vegetables and legumes are delicious, I will eat all of them.

Bring back bean burgers!

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