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Re: My IQ

#131
post #92

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The OP was judging a person by his job, and implying that the person in question couldn't be a genius because he worked at a menial job. I simply provided some counterexamples. Furthermore, white collar or not, I doubt that many would contend that Kafka or Einstein were some sorts of models of "success" if judged by their jobs, and few would judge them "geniuses" solely by looking at what they did for a living. The f…

I don't think jessedhillon was saying that someone working a menial job must not be highly intelligent. His point was that such a person isn't getting much value out of being highly intelligent (he was presenting it as a supporting point in favor of his claim that 'being intelligent has no intrinsic value').

I believe that the idea that someone who works a "menial" job "isn't getting much value out of being highly intelligent" is the fundamental misconception here.

If you are a genius, your time is not necessarily well spent on ANY job, whether it is considered menial or not by the intellectually unwashed masses, unless it is for exercise, relaxation, sustenance, or pleasure.

I refer you to the classic essay The Outsiders http://www.cpsimoes.net/artigos/outsiders.html

'The second kind of social adaptation may be called the marginal strategy. These individuals were typically born into a lower socio-economic class, without gifted parents, gifted siblings, or gifted friends. Often they did not go to college at all, but instead went right to work immediately after high school, or even before. And although they may superficially appear to have made a good adjustment to their work and friends, neither work nor friends can completely engage their attention. They hunger for more intellectual challenge and more real companionship than their social environment can supply. So they resort to leading a double life. They compartmentalize their life into a public sphere and a private sphere. In public they go through the motions of fulfilling their social roles, whatever they are, but in private they pursue goals of their own. They are often omnivorous readers, and sometimes unusually expert amateurs in specialized subjects. The double life strategy might even be called the genius ploy, as many geniuses in history have worked at menial tasks in order to free themselves for more important work. Socrates, you will remember was a stone mason, Spinoza was a lens grinder, and even Jesus was a carpenter. The exceptionally gifted adult who works as a parking lot attendant while creating new mathematics has adopted an honored way of life and deserves respect for his courage, not criticism for failing to live up to his abilities. Those conformists who adopt the committed strategy may be pillars of their community and make the world go around, but historically, those with truly original minds have more often adopted the double life tactic. They are ones among the gifted who are most likely to make the world go forward.'

Re: My IQ

#132
post #79

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I think the LSAT is a pretty good... well whatever it is. It has the salient quality of being almost completely unambiguous. Out of 1000+ of LSAT questions I saw when studying for the test, I found maybe half a dozen that didn't have one unambiguously correct answer and four unambiguously incorrect answers. Of course, it assumes a level of familiarity with formal logic and English grammar/vocabulary.

> it assumes a level of familiarity with formal logic and English grammer/vocabulary. Grammar, not grammer.

This is one of those things that can make an otherwise intelligent person look like an idiot. And I'm not talking about the typo.

Re: My IQ

#133
post #117

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I think that Occam's razor says, that if we have several theories that describe reality with the same accuracy, we should chose the most succint (least redundant).

Being simple could more useful than being succinct e.g.: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is simpler than d9$lLsi because the first is just 45a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_complexity

The first one is more succint in a sense, because normally it wouldn't be represented in this literal, long form.

Re: My IQ

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post #72

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Not sure what you mean by 'frequentist', but one thing is for sure: the more hypotheses that occur to you, the longer it takes to go through them testing each one not only for consistency, plausibility etc, but also for how likely it is that you think the test-writer would prefer the rationale for that answer. If only a few hypotheses occur to you, and they tend to be in the same ballpark as those that would occur to…

My understanding is that the approach of coming up with a hypothesis and testing it is called "frequentist inference", in opposition to "Bayesian inference". However, I'm not terribly well versed in the subject and was hoping somebody could give a clear explanation of the difference between the two.

"Bayesian" and "frequentist" are descriptions of interpretations of probability more than of methods of inference.

Briefly and inexactly: A frequentist says that a probability is the answer to a question of the form "if we repeat this situation many times, what fraction of the time will this happen?"; a Bayesian says that many other things, such as (idealized) subjective degrees of belief, behave like probabilities -- i.e., they obey the same mathematical rules -- and that anything that obeys those rules deserves to be called a probability.

There is such a thing as Bayesian inference, but its opposite isn't "frequentist inference" but something like "classical hypothesis testing". If you take the frequentist view of probability then you will reject questions like "how likely is it that this treatment works?" because either it works or it doesn't -- there's nothing for a probability to be a long-run frequency of. But of course that really is the kind of thing you want to know, so you'll look for other similar questions that do make sense, such as "If the treatment doesn't work, how likely is it that we'd get results as impressive as these?". Asking that question leads to "Neyman-Pearson hypothesis testing": form a "null hypothesis" (the treatment doesn't work; the two groups of people are equally intelligent; the roulette table is not rigged by the casino; ...), do some measurements somehow, figure out how likely it is if the null hypothesis is right that you'd get results as unfavourable to the null hypothesis as you actually did, and if it's very unlikely then you say "aha, the null hypothesis can be rejected". Here, "very unlikely" might mean probability less than 5%, or less than 1%, or whatever.

If you've ever seen an academic paper in science or economics or whatever that says things like "eating more white bread is associated (pBayesians, on the other hand, are perfectly happy talking more directly about the probability that Mahayana Buddhists eat more white bread. However, then another difficulty arises. Obviously the experimental results on their own don't tell you that probability. (Simpler example: you know that a coin was flipped five times and came up heads every time. How likely is it that it's a cheaty coin with two heads? You'll answer that quite differently if (a) you just pulled the coin out of your own pocket or (b) some dubious character approached you in a bar and invited you to bet on his coin-flipping.) The probability after your experimental results are in is determined by two things: those results, and what you believed beforehand.

On the other hand, here's a possible advantage of the Bayesian approach: Instead of just saying how confidently you reject (if you do) the null hypothesis, you can talk about the probabilities of various different extents to which it could be violated. (Imagine two medical treatments. One is more confidently known to have some effect than the other -- but the effect the second one might have is ten times bigger. You might prefer the second treatment even though the risk that it doesn't really work is bigger.)

So the Bayesian statistician might end up saying something like this: Here's a reasonable "prior distribution" -- i.e., a reasonable assignment of probabilities to the various possibilities we're interested in, before the experimental results. Now here's what our probabilities turn into if we start there and then take account of the experimental results.

Or they might just describe the impact of the experimental results, and leave it up to individual readers to combine that with their own prior probabilities.

Here's the recipe that's at the heart of Bayesian inference: Take the prior probability for each possibility. Multiply it by the probability of getting exactly the observed results, if that possibility is the case. The result is the final probability except that the resulting probabilities won't generally add up to 1, so you have to rescale them all by whatever factor it takes to make them add up to 1.

Re: My IQ

#135

What are the benefits of being a member of Mensa?

I suspect it was far more valuable in pre-Internet non-population-dense America, where it was one of the few effective ways to connect with other smart people. It is extremely obsolete now. But "they" (whoever "they" is in practice) publish some nifty puzzle books.

At the time I'm writing this, yours may be the only answer in this thread that doesn't try to signal moral superiority to Mensa members by piously insulting them. (There are a couple of other comments that I would consider borderline -- not overtly insulting, but carefully suffused with cynicism.)

Re: My IQ

#136
post #82

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Pirsig actually came up with an entire metaphysical system in response to this. It's in his book "Lila". Basically it deals with what "good" (as in a good theory, or answer) is, and the different kinds of goodness or Quality, as he calls it, there are. It's quite detailed, but his first distinction is between 'static' and 'dynamic' good. A test-writer values static good more highly than dynamic, and while this is jus…

Interesting, that sounds worth checking out.

Don't bother with bloodless synopses online, or Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

http://coinread.com/lila_an_inquiry_into_morals.503624.html

The essence of Dynamic Quality is that you click on the link now :)

Re: My IQ

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post #79

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I think the LSAT is a pretty good... well whatever it is. It has the salient quality of being almost completely unambiguous. Out of 1000+ of LSAT questions I saw when studying for the test, I found maybe half a dozen that didn't have one unambiguously correct answer and four unambiguously incorrect answers. Of course, it assumes a level of familiarity with formal logic and English grammar/vocabulary.

Yes, they're surprisingly good at it. I've taken and taught other standardized tests, and often find them frustrating or boring. I once found an LSAT question I considered ambiguous. I sent in a complaint to the LSAC. They replied with a three page letter that convinced me I was incorrect.

Now THAT is impressive.

Re: My IQ

#138
post #114

Many people like to argue for political reasons that IQ tests are meaningless or fundamentally flawed. One of the typical arguments, repeated in the article, is that the questions on a test require some cultural background and a smart person can fail them if they were raised in a different culture. Following a similar line of reasoning, we could say that the vision test your optometrist administers requires the cultu…

At this point in the conversation, I believe I'm supposed to accuse you of being oculonormative and suggest that you are blinded by your Visual Privilege. Would this be helpful? [y/N]

Re: My IQ

#139
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the LSAT is a pretty good... well whatever it is. It has the salient quality of being almost completely unambiguous. Out of 1000+ of LSAT questions I saw when studying for the test, I found maybe half a dozen that didn't have one unambiguously correct answer and four unambiguously incorrect answers. Of course, it assumes a level of familiarity with formal logic and English grammar/vocabulary.

> it assumes a level of familiarity with formal logic and English grammer/vocabulary. Grammar, not grammer.

The LSAT tests grammar and vocabulary, but not spelling.
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