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Re: Kagi Small Web

#51

Post by sheepscreek »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #39
ArtificeAccount wrote: post #31

I've been using the Kagi search engine for months now and I'm not impressed. I bought into it because there were a lot of posts saying that it was "just like old Google" but this has not been my experience. It's the same as new Google, you can type in what you're looking for exactly and you'll get random sort-of related websites. I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google,…

I switched about a year ago. At the time it did seem like a step up from Google results. But there's been an increasing prevalence of low quality results. Blogspam, AI websites, etc. Obviously not blaming Kagi here, web search has gotten hard recently. Is Kagi still better than Google? Probably, I don't really know because I don't use Google anymore. But at this point I feel like I'm with them out of inertia more tha…

It’s definitely not Kagi’s fault. The AI slop is simply taking effect and I feel sorry for them. I never expected them to match Google’s quality, but I was impressed with how close it was when I used it a few years ago.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#52

Post by littlestymaar »

ArtificeAccount wrote: post #49
sodapopcan wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, there wasn't the level of utter crap back then that there is now. Not that there wasn't a LOT back then, but there is even more now.

People say that, but on the other hand companies like Google have a lot of much better ways of categorizing things now than they did in the past. I'm not sure I buy the excuse of "gosh, it's just too hard for us :(" from this international company worth trillions employing geniuses. It really feels either intentional or egregiously incompetent.

We literally have internal emails[1] showing that Google simply gives no shit about the quality of its search engine's results.

[1]: [The Man Who Killed Google Search](https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/)

Re: Kagi Small Web

#53

Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

ArtificeAccount wrote: post #41
the_pwner224 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched about a year ago. At the time it did seem like a step up from Google results. But there's been an increasing prevalence of low quality results. Blogspam, AI websites, etc. Obviously not blaming Kagi here, web search has gotten hard recently. Is Kagi still better than Google? Probably, I don't really know because I don't use Google anymore. But at this point I feel like I'm with them out of inertia more tha…

I feel the same way. I'm probably going to end my subscription at some point, but right now the effort involved is what's keeping me with Kagi.

Is usage based pricing available?

I'm thinking of trying it out Kagi, but adding another monthly commitment is what's holding me back.

A single credit top-up and occasional usage until the credits run out sounds good to me.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#54

Post by coopreme »

yashasolutions wrote: post #29

StumbleUpon is that you? Jokes aside, it's really nice and I can totally see becoming addictive. Kudos to Kagi team for an other user oriented product. (as a side note, I am using Kagi daily and i didn't know about this tool)

SU was amazing. Stumbling upon Ze Frank? It was internet gold!

Re: Kagi Small Web

#55

Post by singpolyma3 »

ArtificeAccount wrote: post #31

I've been using the Kagi search engine for months now and I'm not impressed. I bought into it because there were a lot of posts saying that it was "just like old Google" but this has not been my experience. It's the same as new Google, you can type in what you're looking for exactly and you'll get random sort-of related websites. I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google,…

I feel like I can still do this with Google if I use quotes.

Kagi I've been using and it's fine. Better than DDG for sure. But sometimes I still go back to google to find something kagi is struggling with.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#56

Post by singpolyma3 »

zknill wrote: post #48
ArtificeAccount wrote: post #31

I've been using the Kagi search engine for months now and I'm not impressed. I bought into it because there were a lot of posts saying that it was "just like old Google" but this has not been my experience. It's the same as new Google, you can type in what you're looking for exactly and you'll get random sort-of related websites. I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google,…

I've been using Kagi for ~18months and your description doesn't match my experience at all. Querying for something like "snowflake json from variant?" in both engines and in google I get a sort-of-right-but-not-really-that-helpful ai summary about "parse_json" function. In Kagi I get an actually useful summary with code examples of parse_json, but also the colon-based syntax for accessing values inside nested objects…

But then you're not using kagi search just the LLM

Re: Kagi Small Web

#57

Post by postalcoder »

sheepscreek wrote: post #51
the_pwner224 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched about a year ago. At the time it did seem like a step up from Google results. But there's been an increasing prevalence of low quality results. Blogspam, AI websites, etc. Obviously not blaming Kagi here, web search has gotten hard recently. Is Kagi still better than Google? Probably, I don't really know because I don't use Google anymore. But at this point I feel like I'm with them out of inertia more tha…

It’s definitely not Kagi’s fault. The AI slop is simply taking effect and I feel sorry for them. I never expected them to match Google’s quality, but I was impressed with how close it was when I used it a few years ago.

Kagi used to use Google's search API. They discuss the current state of their index here: https://blog.kagi.com/waiting-dawn-search

Re: Kagi Small Web

#58

Post by spicycode »

ArtificeAccount wrote: post #31

I've been using the Kagi search engine for months now and I'm not impressed. I bought into it because there were a lot of posts saying that it was "just like old Google" but this has not been my experience. It's the same as new Google, you can type in what you're looking for exactly and you'll get random sort-of related websites. I remember when you could half-remember a comment from a website, type that into Google,…

I've switched as of a few years back and it definitely works like pre-AI/search index degradation for me. But I def understand search is very user specific based on how you search and what you are targeting.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#59

Post by mpalmer »

singpolyma3 wrote: post #56
zknill wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been using Kagi for ~18months and your description doesn't match my experience at all. Querying for something like "snowflake json from variant?" in both engines and in google I get a sort-of-right-but-not-really-that-helpful ai summary about "parse_json" function. In Kagi I get an actually useful summary with code examples of parse_json, but also the colon-based syntax for accessing values inside nested objects…

But then you're not using kagi search just the LLM

No, the responses are backed by searches.

Re: Kagi Small Web

#60

Post by sodapopcan »

ArtificeAccount wrote: post #49
sodapopcan wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, there wasn't the level of utter crap back then that there is now. Not that there wasn't a LOT back then, but there is even more now.

People say that, but on the other hand companies like Google have a lot of much better ways of categorizing things now than they did in the past. I'm not sure I buy the excuse of "gosh, it's just too hard for us :(" from this international company worth trillions employing geniuses. It really feels either intentional or egregiously incompetent.

That's fair.
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