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Beyond has dropped “meat” from its name and expanded its high-protein drink line

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Post by TeMPOraL »

lithocarpus wrote: post #214
unfitted2545 wrote: post #203

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Every single study I've seen so far on this topic conflates "red meat" and "processed meat". I would argue that modern processed meat may well be really bad for us. I imagine that burned/charred meat is carcinogenic too, same as burnt/charred anything is. If there's a well constructed study that actually suggests that natural red meat is bad or causes cancer, please give a link and I'll look, I genuinely want to know…

Hardly anyone is eating raw flesh of the animal they just hunted down, so no, there's not going to be many studies to find, because approximately no one has been eating non-processed food for the past several thousands of years. Not even the "health conscious" folks so deathly afraid of the sin of "processing"; they just don't realize that washing and cutting and boiling are sins too.

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Post by rdn »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #234
barrell wrote: post #226

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This is such a weird comment. It’s ultra processed food devoid of micronutrients with low quality protein and poor bioavailability. Health conscious folks would definitely not choose this. In fact, it’s all the things you try to avoid as soon as you start being health conscious. Folks who want to believe they are being health conscious may be convinced via marketing to buy it, but anyone seriously invested in their n…

Maybe they're hoping there exists a non-crazy subset of "health conscious" population, i.e. people who are not panicly afraid of "ultra processed" food and generally don't consider food processing to be a sin, who don't see food manufacturing plants as temples of Satan, and are otherwise health conscious and not just playing the fitness fad social games.

They must be panicly afraid of salt and saturated fat instead then, since that was OP's argument for "health conscious". Yet still insist on a simulacrum of a burger, instead of having a chicken breast.

This product will only succeed if its reasonably cheaper than the cheapest meat (not just beef). It is and forever will be inferior to meat as a food product for the vast majority of consumers. Perhaps in some vision of the future the dominant consumer is Hindu and they may find the product acceptable, but they'll still be price conscious.

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Post by messe »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #229
messe wrote: post #200

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If they're selling in a supermarket, it's more than fair to compare them to those offerings. Who's buying Burger King more than grocery shopping?

I've eaten maybe 5 burgers at home in my 35 years but I've eaten plenty more at fast food restaurants.

And I've eaten far more at home than out in my 29. It's really not that common to eat out that often where I live.

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Post by oblio »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #234
barrell wrote: post #226

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This is such a weird comment. It’s ultra processed food devoid of micronutrients with low quality protein and poor bioavailability. Health conscious folks would definitely not choose this. In fact, it’s all the things you try to avoid as soon as you start being health conscious. Folks who want to believe they are being health conscious may be convinced via marketing to buy it, but anyone seriously invested in their n…

Maybe they're hoping there exists a non-crazy subset of "health conscious" population, i.e. people who are not panicly afraid of "ultra processed" food and generally don't consider food processing to be a sin, who don't see food manufacturing plants as temples of Satan, and are otherwise health conscious and not just playing the fitness fad social games.

Ultra processed foods are tied with a myriad of health conditions.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-maga...

Please tell the British Heart Foundation that they're "the crazy kind of health conscious" :-)

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Post by oblio »

chabska wrote: post #220
lithocarpus wrote: post #160

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Beyond Burger ingredients: Yellow Pea Protein, Avocado Oil, Natural Flavors, Brown Rice Protein, Red Lentil Protein, 2% or less of Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Pea Starch, Potassium Lactate (to preserve freshness), Faba Bean Protein, Apple Extract, Pomegranate Concentrate, Potassium Salt, Spice, Vinegar, Vegetable Juice Color (with Beet). Except for Vinegar, every one of these is an industrially processed/extracte…

> humans never ate until within the last ~50 years Humans have been eating some of these for thousands of years. I know "extract" is a scary big scientific word, but most of the time it's just immersing the grain in hot water, strain it to remove the pulp, then boiling the liquid to concentrate it. You can separate the starch and protein from any bean or grain in your kitchen with some basic kitchen equipment and hot…

The dose makes the poison.

People weren't doing that at a mass scale before people figured out they could make money by increasing addictiveness, once technology was good enough.

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Post by noufalibrahim »

KPGv2 wrote: post #232
noufalibrahim wrote: post #198

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Reminds me of a joke I read online. "Plant Based Meat" is not Plant. It's not Based and it's not Meat.

About as funny as complaining "oil" is used to refer to petroleum-based lubricants, avocado oil, etc. since the etymology of "oil" is strictly a reference to olive oil only. I can't stand this type of thing, just like people who get upset at terms like "oat milk" or "soy milk." Not really a dig at you, sorry.

No problem. I didn't take the original comment too seriously either. Just a passing chuckle at some wordplay.

TBH, I haven't heard the complaints about the use of "oil" in that context.

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Post by billynomates »

barrell wrote: post #226
lambda wrote: post #132

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This is such a weird comment. Why do you think that "ethical vegans" like the "taste of plants" any more than anyone else? The whole point of being an ethical vegan/vegetarian is to not consume animals, not because you don't like the taste. Health conscious folks would definitely choose these over hamburgers. Sure, they're not perfect from a health food point of view, but they're lower in sodium and saturated fat tha…

This is such a weird comment. It’s ultra processed food devoid of micronutrients with low quality protein and poor bioavailability. Health conscious folks would definitely not choose this. In fact, it’s all the things you try to avoid as soon as you start being health conscious. Folks who want to believe they are being health conscious may be convinced via marketing to buy it, but anyone seriously invested in their n…

Health conscious ethical vegan here. I eat these fairly often. The protein content is fine. I get micronutrients from other sources. I track all my calories and macros, every single day. My diet is perfectly balanced, thanks very much.

Something is only unhealthy or healthy in light of everything else you eat. It's reductive to say otherwise.

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Post by billynomates »

gusennan wrote: post #195

Vegetarian here. I like Beyond products, such as their chorizo, and eat them all the time. I don’t eat animals not because I’m trying to “eat healthy”, but because I’m trying to opt out participating in a system that is brutally cruel to sentient beings.

Unfortunately by still eating dairy and eggs, you are participating in that system.

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Post by billynomates »

>Beyond Meat CEO Says ‘It’s Just Not The Moment For Plant-Based Meat’ After Rebrand

It absolutely is the time for plant-based meat. It has never been more crucial. It's just that their business model was easily replicable.

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Post by latexr »

NotGMan wrote: post #78
jfengel wrote: post #12

That's too bad. I don't expect fake-meats to be healthy, or cheap, but I like that they can be made without killing animals and without raising them in inhumane conditions. I had really hoped that people would say, "Well, if it tastes close enough, then how about I go for the cruelty-free version." And it is close-enough -- it's at least as good as a fast-food hamburger. Perhaps the cognitive dissonance is just too m…

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There are no studies I’m aware of where focusing on a plant-based diet makes you “very ill” and gives you “chronic diseases”. On the contrary, it’s not that hard to be healthier.

Meat, on the other hand, is linked to diseases. Especially red meat and cancer.

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc...

So your scenario is more like “imagine telling a parent ‘Give meat to your kid. They will get sick, unnecessarily kill animals (as we all know, kids hate animals, right?), and accelerate destroying the environment (who needs to live in a good environment, anyway, as long as there are burgers?)’”.

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