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Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by Terr_ »

caminante wrote: post #171
Bender wrote: post #136

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echo -en 'Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story' | wc -c 107 HN also forces editorializing to less than 81 characters. I too sometimes struggle to editorialize the title to something that fits and ideally does not lose context.

Fair point. I'd trim the bit about Polymarket to get under the cap. > Gamblers [...] are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story You'll lose a little topical/karma sizzle (with no "Polymarket" keyword), but it's higher fidelity.

> I'd trim the bit about Polymarket to

Heck no, that's removing the important part of the news! Specifically, that a new kind of unregulated anonymous bet-making is leading to new kind of violence against journalists.

In contrast, the piece isn't really about Iran, or about Missiles, although those underscore the gravity or perversion of what's going on.

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Such a cut isn't necessary either, compare the original versus this 79-character version:

    Gamblers trying to win a bet on Polymarket are vowing to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story
    Gamblers                     on Polymarket     vow    to kill me if I don’t rewrite an Iran missile story
The assumption that Gamblers care about winning a bet should be obvious and implicit, so that's an obvious thing to omit. The ongoing nature of the vowing is also unnecessary when simply having past cases is bad enough.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by bombcar »

uncletammy wrote: post #228
Balgair wrote: post #212

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Friend of a friend does announcing online. Like, you pay him a little ( So, he got a gig to announce the opening of loot boxes at some show. I think it was Fortnite loot boxes. I guess it gives you the total value of the loot box spree you opened. So, 2 people buy a bunch of loot boxes, then open them up, then whoever has the higher value wins and takes both of the people's total haul. Sounds like a strange thing to…

How does someone break into that field. I have a buddy who used to announce pro sports ( he's sort of famous for it ) that wants this kind of work.

As mentioned in the other comment, scout out local events - bars that have trivia nights, bowling contests, etc. Find the ones where it's obvious the bartender is also the MC, and offer to do it for them for free/drinks/small fee.

Have business cards ready to go and have them laying out.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by epolanski »

philwelch wrote: post #421
epolanski wrote: post #330

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There is no evidence that people betting on whether Iran will strike Israel on March 15th has any benefit. Who would be the beneficiary of that? Are you gonna tell me residents in Tel Aviv will be able to hedge their chances of surviving tomorrow? Nor there's evidence that providing information about the fact that US will strike Venezuela does it either. What value any of that has? None, especially considering the pe…

> Are you gonna tell me residents in Tel Aviv will be able to hedge their chances of surviving tomorrow? Yes, of course! If you had some advance warning your home town was likely to be struck with missiles soon, are you seriously saying you can't think of a single thing you could do to prepare? I would, at a minimum, make sure I was stocked up on first aid supplies, water, and food that I could eat without needing po…

And don't you see the other part of the medal?

That there are economical incentives to make it happen just to make money?

Such events have little-to-no "wisdom of the crowds" those events decided by a handful of people. And their consequences catastrophic.

What if there was a derivative for whether you will be hit by a car tomorrow?

What would you say if there was a contract on whether your county will burst in flames this month?

Are you happy because you can hedge this event, or don't you realize the obvious peril?

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

xvector wrote: post #56
TheDong wrote: post #48

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Yeah, but how do you find the person making the threats? Polymarket accounts are more-or-less just a crypto address. Whatsapp accounts are somewhat easier to link to a real identity, but still not hard to at least obscure a bit. The arm of the law struggles to reach across borders, and on the internet, it's quite plausible all those involved are in different jurisdictions.

Polymarket's founder is Shayne Coplan, 27-year old "youngest self-made billionaire" (why do all billionaires seem devoid of ethics?) A sane system would just throw him in jail until his illegal betting market implements KYC.

Same with Kalshi's founders. As if becoming rich, off gambling and speculation, is supposed to inspire some kind of admiration.

The lunacy of the mysticism of money.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by anonym29 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #491
geor9e wrote: post #473

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Do you have an example of polymarket betters changing the outcome of an event?

Here's one: https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/coinbase-ceos-bizarre-final...

I'm not parent commenter, but any example of an event that actually matters?

Elections, wars, the economy, healthcare systems, laws, court cases?

The example you provided does look like some insider trading type of stuff, just like how 1v1 professional sports players will sometimes intentionally lose after receiving a bribe to do so, but both your example and sports don't really seem to have any kind of meaningful impact on anything or anyone who isn't gambling, no?

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by sam0x17 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #491
geor9e wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an example of polymarket betters changing the outcome of an event?

Here's one: https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/coinbase-ceos-bizarre-final...

> I'm not parent commenter, but any example of an event that actually matters? Elections, wars, the economy, healthcare systems, laws, court cases?

I think the point is more that if it's already happening at this level of adoption, and these are only the ones we know about, surely there are many more where this is happening and we don't know, and as adoption increases, it will get worse and worse since the liquidity on the line will be much higher.

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Post by natechols »

throw4847285 wrote: post #493
gopher_space wrote: post #439

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Delphi markets feature prominently in Shockwave Rider by John Brunner. It's an important book, and Brunner is amazing if you've never read him before. He's actually one of my metrics for judging used book stores. Sci-fi has Brunner, politics has Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72, nonfiction has someone's old annotated copy of G.E.B.

I'll admit, I bought Stand on Zanzibar based on a recommendation from my Dad, but I only got a few pages in before getting distracted by something else. I should give Brunner another shot.

"The Shockwave Runner" has aged vastly better than "Stand on Zanzibar", which I found unreadable. The first book predicts an early-21st century society full of smartphone users, ubiquitous privacy violations, and governments run by criminal gangs; the other is like if Paul Ehrlich wrote a sci-fi novel. I don't think "The Shockwave Runner" is as well written as any of the other cyberpunk classics, but as a guess at what 40-50 years in the authors future would look like, it's almost freakily realistic. (Although it feels like reading Neal Stephenson's "Anathem" at times - familiar tech described with alien words.)

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by bigyabai »

yonixw wrote: post #514
bigyabai wrote: post #474

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Avoiding threats is non-optional for most Israeli journalists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Censor

The reason no one responds to this list is because it's just one big gish gallop It's enough to see that you brought a link to the Israeli Military Censor to hint at a conspiracy, to understand who you're dealing with. But even if you go into the list, you'll see at the top that those who were shot were in the middle of the battle, where Israeli forces were surprised, to the point of massacre alongside civilians. And…

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Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by logicchains »

xvector wrote: post #56
TheDong wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but how do you find the person making the threats? Polymarket accounts are more-or-less just a crypto address. Whatsapp accounts are somewhat easier to link to a real identity, but still not hard to at least obscure a bit. The arm of the law struggles to reach across borders, and on the internet, it's quite plausible all those involved are in different jurisdictions.

Polymarket's founder is Shayne Coplan, 27-year old "youngest self-made billionaire" (why do all billionaires seem devoid of ethics?) A sane system would just throw him in jail until his illegal betting market implements KYC.

>A sane system would just throw him in jail until his illegal betting market implements KYC.

There's nothing sane about KYC, it's a fundamental assault on the right to financial privacy. And the people with power can always bypass it; only the little people suffer.

Re: Polymarket gamblers threaten to kill me over Iran missile story

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Post by logicchains »

xvector wrote: post #406
axus wrote: post #258

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When power is concentrated to the government, the corruption is concentrated with it. Incarceration and the end of privacy don't restore the victims. A consumer protection bureau could bring a civil suit against Polymarket to pay the journalist.

A lawsuit would just be the "cost of doing business" for Polymarket. Until there is no skin in the game, there will be no change or accountability. If CISOs can be held criminally liable for data breaches, the rest of C-suite can be held criminally liable for their own decisions as well. In this case, the guy knowingly operates a betting market that illegally does not require KYC.

>In this case, the guy knowingly operates a betting market that illegally does not require KYC.

It's not illegal where he is. You can't go around arresting people in other countries just because they don't follow your country's law.

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