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Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Reminds me of this PR: https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/14369

This comment is wild: https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/pull/14369#issuecomment-35573...

That's a horror show! The willful pushback from the author when questioned about the code is the icing on the cake.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Yes. My Jira tickets used to be almost empty, but all of it was useful info. Now, my Jira tickets are way too long. The amount of useful info has also gone down. Talk about an AI induced productivity increase ...

I do this quite often, but I also instruct Claude to limit its output to 2-3 sentences or paragraphs, depending on the context. Also "Write this for a team of software developers / MBA's" goes a long way too. I also do the extra step of eliminating things that are not needed, or we review this during backlog refinement.

Sounds like a lot of work to ensure it's correct, without the guarantee that it's actually correct. Why not just do it oldschool? Is it really saving you that much time?

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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post #199

TBH "The Oracle" personality doesn't always bother me. There's a bunch of stuff that gets asked in corporate chat that makes me think, "does this person know how to use Google?" I think the same can be said for the chatbots at this point. I feel like we just need the equivalent of "Let me Google That" for LLMs.

"Let me google that" already mostly gets you LLM output, because google is fairly ruined at this point. Also, if someone asks me a question, I think it would be rude of me to respond with "Maybe I know the answer, maybe I don't, but why don't you send your question to a machine that will give you an answer that just might be right by coincidence?"

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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post #79

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Even before AI, the human social internet was loaded with bots and disingenuous actors. You want the imperfect human internet that is also pristine and curated. I've been socializing on the internet since 1994, and I feel fairly confident in sharing that this never existed, except in nostalgia. If that's what you're pining for, you're going to have to find a highly protected part of the internet that is walled off fr…

And since the foundation of the internet, the correct response to bots and disingenuous actors has been to a) ignore them b) ban them and c) ostracize then. We're talking about basic behaviors that have been understood since Usenet, something you surely should be aware of since you grew up in that era.

I absolutely agree with this. We did not tell bot operators to "do better" like this manifesto is trying to do, which is my whole point.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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post #130

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Yes. My Jira tickets used to be almost empty, but all of it was useful info. Now, my Jira tickets are way too long. The amount of useful info has also gone down. Talk about an AI induced productivity increase ...

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My teammates hit the generate PR button. I'm not reading that, it's a summary of the changes that I am _already_ going to be looking at, wrapped in some flowery language about being "better architecture, cleaner code" etc.

So those PRs may as well not have a description at all as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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Everybody wants to use LLMs to produce things and absolutely nobody wants to consume the things that LLMs produce and this is the fundamental reason this is all going to collapse unless we find a way for producers to pay consumers to consume their LLM output.

Gotta disagree. I've found several great new YouTube channels that clearly use ai for everything but the script writing. I assume it's an enthusiastic and smart niche expert who lacks the charisma to make videos in addition to doing the research. In very glad ai is filling in those people's weak spots.

One person's slop is another person's treasure, I guess. I've seen a lot of slop on Youtube, and I block the channels putting it out. It's pretty awful. They use AI narration that can't pronounce simple common phrases correctly. I'm not wasting my time with that garbage, I'd rather give views to actual people producing good content. I don't have time for slop.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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post #8

I find that I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior, even though I share the disdain for someone else's AI output. The people doing this kind of thing are not the kind of people to be reading this manifesto. We've been creating bait content for a long time, and humans have never been given the tools to manage this in any sophisticated fashion. The internet was not a bastion of high qu…

> I do find it interesting that people don't mind AI content, as long it's "their AI." The moment someone thinks it's someone else's AI output, the reaction is visceral. Somehow nobody that replied to you mentioned this. The issue is reciprocity. If I spend two hours manually researching and using my expertise to reply to a ticket, then 10 minutes later I get a novel-length AI reply in response...I now have no respec…

The biggest vendor I work with uses "AI" for all email communications. It's like they use it to sanitize and corporate-speakify their communications, and I really hate it. They can never communicate like a real human being in email. But when we have actual zoom calls they speak like real humans, but in email it becomes so robotic. It's frustrating to feel like I'm speaking with a robot.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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post #96

I’ve encountered an even more nightmarish version of this recently: ai generated tickets. Basically dumping the output of “write a detailed product spec for a clinical trial data collection pipeline” into a jira ticket and handing it off. Doesn’t match any of our internal product design, adds tons of extraneous features. When I brought this up with said PM they basically responded that these inaccuracies should just…

The manager of my team is like this. He LLMed a design doc and then whenever people have questions he's exasperated that people didn't read the design doc. Bro you didn't write it, why would we read it?

Or they are like - here, can you check over this LLM design and see if it makes sense?

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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post #199

TBH "The Oracle" personality doesn't always bother me. There's a bunch of stuff that gets asked in corporate chat that makes me think, "does this person know how to use Google?" I think the same can be said for the chatbots at this point. I feel like we just need the equivalent of "Let me Google That" for LLMs.

Interesting, that's the one I hate the most.

Caveat that I'm talking about when it's something that's in depth or requires some nuance beyond just a surface level information. They don't know themselves, so rather than saying "oh, sorry I don't know, this document or person might help."

As an example I might post in our teams chat, that I've seen an issue on our physical hardware, there is a step change in the telemetry (increased vibration or some other erratic behavior on a thermocouple). Has anyone had experience with what can cause this on this type of installation.

Then you get a Copilot paste of the prompt "what causes high vibration on rotating machinery".

If somebody clearly asks a question that could just be answered by Google or a LLM prompt quickly then fair enough, but I'm after specific product knowledge from our technical team. In self reflection I might be very specific in my question so other members of the team can't go down that route as easily.

Re: Stop Sloppypasta

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post #8

I find that I don't have a lot of sympathy for people angry at this type of behavior, even though I share the disdain for someone else's AI output. The people doing this kind of thing are not the kind of people to be reading this manifesto. We've been creating bait content for a long time, and humans have never been given the tools to manage this in any sophisticated fashion. The internet was not a bastion of high qu…

>I do find it interesting that people don't mind AI content, as long it's "their AI." The moment someone thinks it's someone else's AI output, the reaction is visceral...like they're being hoodwinked somehow. The problem is that getting an AI to answer a question is trivial. If I wanted to know what an AI has to say about the topic, I would just ask myself. Sending AI output has, as the author writes, the same connot…

I'm starting to realise I might have completely misunderstood the whole lmgtfy thing. I thought it was a semi-rude way to call someone out for asking lazy questions instead of trying to find the answer themselves.
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