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Starlink Mini as a failover

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Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

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Every so often I do the numbers on a backup Internet connection and decide that it's not worth it, but understand that it is useful for peace of mind reasons. My Internet is just too reliable. When I'm out of contract with my current provider I'll need to reconsider this as the supplier I'm likely to move to has no obvious/simple/integrated backup option.

tl;dr FTTP. A single outage event in 16 months, lasted 40 minutes, whilst asleep.

I'm in the UK and have FTTP through BT. Way back when I also purchased the 4G backup option (Hybrid Connect) that comes with this service. That's an extra £7.50/mo when taken as part of the usual 24-month contract. It's simple to setup and doesn't require any specific maintenance.

Looking back at the logs it's clear (from an actual usage perspective) it's not been worth the £7.50/mo I've been paying for it, but I'll admit it helped give me peace of mind when I was on-call for work so it is easy to justify.

The BT supplied router (which is required if you want to use their 4G backup hardware) keeps a log of "Resilience events".

In the 16 months I've had FTTP it has had exactly one "resilience event". A 40m11s outage that started at 00:20:05 on 28/11/2025. I was unaware of this outage as I was asleep.

It was really useful when I moved house though. I was in the middle of a 24-month contract with BT at my old address so I ported my contract to my new address. This meant they had to come round and install FTTP at the new property, which they couldn't do for a couple of weeks, so I was without home Internet for these two weeks.

Luckily the 4G "Hybrid Connect" backup device wasn't geo-locked (or if it was maybe BT overlooked it given there was an outstanding "Moving house" order on the account) and so it worked perfectly for the ~2 weeks between moving in and FTTP being installed. If this hadn't worked then a temporary 4G router would have worked just as well.

I had a bunch of "resilience events" for this period (it wasn't one continuous event as I was moving/restarting the broadband router for various reasons). During those 13 days the logs show 163GB download and 25GB upload. That's an average of ~150KBps (note the capital B there, in bits-per-second it is ~1.1Mbps) download.

In the 26 months prior to moving (where I was on ~75Mbps FTTC with BT) I had 3 "resilience events". 17m36s, 47m7s, 31m22s. All between midnight and 4am where I wouldn't have noticed, these were also within 1 month of each other, the other 25 months had no problems at all. None.

When my current contract comes to an end I'll move to a different supplier (probably Community Fibre as I can get symmetric 5Gbps for less than I'm paying BT for 1Gbps/120Mbps) and then not worry about a backup. If it is less reliable then I'll look for a solution then.

My current backup is simply to hotspot on my mobile with 5G (good signal here). Doesn't help the others in the house but they can fend for themselves. Neighbours have different suppliers or technologies (DOCSIS vs FTTP) so swapping wifi details would also be an option.

As others have pointed out, a local power-cut that takes out of the FTTP cabinet could easily take out the local 4G/5G masts making a 4G backup solution useless. If this happens I can just take my laptop to a nearby cafe or the co-working space I use. That kind of outage is very rare though round here.

Then again with the sums involved (under £10/month extra) it may just be easier (for peace of mind again) to just plump for something that doesn't really make amazing financial sense as it's just the cost of a pint or two a month.

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

#62
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I don't understand this mentality. What makes Musk different than Blackrock for instance? Or Monsanto, or Shell, or any corporation both of us rely on and support, in return for being able to eat, fuel our car, etc. Is it because Musk isn't lobbying behind the corporation but doing it publically? I truly don't understand where ya'll draw the line. I truly don't care what other people do or want, I just look to ensure…

> What makes Musk different than Blackrock for instance?

Open support for right-wing parties and politics all over the world.

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Choosing to stand up for your principles in one instance, doesn't mean you suddenly have to fight all the battles all at once, even those that aren't apparent you (yet). How do you know this person is not choosing principles on other occasions already? IMO doing this is better than doing nothing. You can always choose to pick up more battles later. Other people can fight the other fights. Everyone always choosing sel…

How do you know that the shareholders and directors of the places you shop arent secretly way worse than Musk?

Elon is publicly terrible, on the Epstein list and supports the far right.

It's the easiest non support of my life, I don't use Twitter, don't have a Tesla, don't use grok.

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

#64
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Using a 4g/5g router is much easier and probably cheaper/power efficient. Depending on your area you don't even need an external one. A simple 4g dongle would do.

Unifi (which the OP uses) even has dedicated devices for this type of failover: https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/29887153953559-UniFi-5...

Spendy though.

The Unifi 5G modem for the UK [1] is £378 (~USD500) and that's just the hardware, you still have to pay for a suitable SIM.

I can see why some people are drawn to the Starlink option at 1/3 of that price.

1. https://uk.store.ui.com/uk/en/category/internet-solutions/co...

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unifi (which the OP uses) even has dedicated devices for this type of failover: https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/29887153953559-UniFi-5...

Spendy though. The Unifi 5G modem for the UK [1] is £378 (~USD500) and that's just the hardware, you still have to pay for a suitable SIM. I can see why some people are drawn to the Starlink option at 1/3 of that price. 1. https://uk.store.ui.com/uk/en/category/internet-solutions/co...

You can get a 4g dongle with $20 for basic failover. There are also many other companies that sell cheaper 5G routers. Zte has several models.

Starlink only makes sense as a last resort if LTE coverage is not available in your area.

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

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> I guarantee you, you’re giving money to people much worse than him every time you shop, without realizing it. Your assumption lies on the "without realizing it". If you realize how bad the people are, you can do something about it. The likes of Musk are extremely bad, and have been personally responsible for many, many abhorrent developments in both national and foreign stages. Thus, it's natural that people avoid…

> If you realize how bad the people are, you can do something about it. The problem is you have no idea what people are invested in what companies. How do you know that when you shop at $friendlySustainableCompany that people like Musk do not have shares there?

> The problem is you have no idea what people are invested in what companies.

That's not an argument that justifies in any way ignoring the people you do know.

Do you think it's ok to ignore the far-right activist who has been deeply involved in election fraud?

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

#67

I also do this. Xfinity went out for a few hours earlier this month and Unifi failed over almost instantly, and within minutes we had high speed internet once I upgraded us. The standby mode would have been plenty for basic web browsing, too. $5/mo for pretty guaranteed connectivity, plus being able to take it around with me on travels is pretty awesome.

What is the role of Unifi here? I read the article and went to their site but I still have no clue.

Unifi is one of the few consumer-grade routers that supports dual WAN.

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

#68
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this mentality. What makes Musk different than Blackrock for instance? Or Monsanto, or Shell, or any corporation both of us rely on and support, in return for being able to eat, fuel our car, etc. Is it because Musk isn't lobbying behind the corporation but doing it publically? I truly don't understand where ya'll draw the line. I truly don't care what other people do or want, I just look to ensure…

> What makes Musk different than Blackrock for instance? Open support for right-wing parties and politics all over the world.

Plus doing it to a hundred million followers and controlling the medium that delivers his message.

Re: Starlink Mini as a failover

#69
> Set IPv6 Connection to SLAAC (this is critical - SLAAC must be used, not DHCPv6) [...] Set 'Prefix Delegation Size' to 56

Is this also A UniFi bug, is Starlink doing IPv6 address assignment in a weird way, or is this a normal/RFC-compliant way of assigning a /56 subnet to a router?

I always assumed routeable prefixes on v6 require DHCPv6 (except for hacks like RFC 7278 and /64 subnets)?

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