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Nasdaq's Shame

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Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#41
To explain the mechanism simply.

Suppose you had a index of 100 companys each with a market cap of 1 G$ for a total of 100 G$. You have passive investors owning 20 G$ of that index, amounting to 20% of the total, 20% of each company, and 200 M$ per company.

You then rotate out a company for a new one also worth 1 G$. The index is still 100 G$, but to match the index you are contractually required to sell your 20% ownership of the old company and are contractually required to buy 20% ownership of the new company.

However, the newly added company only released 5% of its shares to the public and the founder kept hold of the remaining 95%. Those fund managers are contractually obligated to buy 20% of the newly added company, but only 5% is available. Like a short squeeze, where the squeezer buys and holds supply so there are not enough purchasable shares to cover the shorts (obligated ownership), this is a financial divide by zero.

To get the remaining 15%, which they are contractually obligated to acquire, they must purchase from the founder. As they are in violation of their contract if they fail to acquire the remaining 15%, the founder now has complete control to dictate any price they want.

That is the scheme described: how to short squeeze retirement funds who do not even have shorts for fun and profit.

Note that this is a minor variation on my post on the same underlying topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47392325

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#42
post #33

Anyone know if vanguards VTI is immune from such practices?

VTI just tracks the CRSP US total stock index, see https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/etfs/profi...

The CRSP index itself adds new companies within 5 days of their IPO, see https://www.crsp.org/what-owning-the-market-really-means/

> The CRSP US Total Market Index, by contrast, adds all IPOs ranging from mega caps to small caps—accounting for 98% of the market—within the first five trading days of the stock’s listing.

So it sounds like SpaceX will show up in VTI sooner than in the Nasdaq100, even with their new "fast entry" rule.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#43
It's so bad. I could write a series of books about all the problems with the current system. There are so many.

These index funds are a mechanism for monopolization of 'the market' and it affects real people and it suppresses other markets through the perverse incentive structures it creates.

For example, I launched a crypto project back in 2019 which had its own decentralized exchange but ran into all sorts of hurdles with US regulations and also, the leaders of the community I was involved in were actively suppressing and slandering my project and propping up their biggest competitor's tech instead! All under the nose of regulators who approved all of it! I couldn't believe my eyes and neither could the community. But eventually it's like everyone started assuming that corruption and suppression was normal.

It's insane but it's like everyone is working to satisfy the big money and nothing else matters. Truth is suppressed, companies collaborate with their competitors and with regulators to deliver inferior goods and services to people while limiting their opportunities and dialing up surveillance and control.

At this stage, if I ever get the option to vote for a communist government, I would definitely take it.

Unofficially, we already have the worst form of communism now except the proceeds of the loot are distributed unequally and with a massive constant psyop running to convince people that what they get or don't get is a result of their own actions.

At least if we make communism official, we can shut down that psyop, acknowledge that the system is a controlled monopoly money machine and essentially just handing out money selectively and that the current criteria are arbitrary.

Once people accept the reality that the system has become an automated machine (since at least a decade) and that entrepreneurship and leadership has become redundant, then we can start thinking about fair distribution of the resources which the machine produces. The self-made people are not self-made, they are system-selected. Homeless people are not all lazy or incompetent; they are system-unselected. They didn't become homeless because they were crazy; they became crazy because they were made homeless. They became crazy trying to make sense of what happened to them. They couldn't figure it out because many if them did nothing wrong. They just got caught in a mental loop trying to fix stuff that they couldn't fix because it wasn't in their control. Their fate was always in the hands of the system.

I think the worst part is that some people who were given favorable treatment by the machine actually do believe that they earned their place. They don't know what it feels like to have all the algorithms suppressing their work and opportunities. They think their privileged treatment by algorithms is normal and same as everyone else.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#44

I’m trying to understand the mechanics here. I get that SpaceX and Nasdaq are in cahoots to get SpaceX bundled with a bunch of other stocks (and that bundle is called QQQ?) But why must retail investors hold this bundle? If I’m holding now, I can sell it and buy a different bundle right? And if I’m not holding it now, I can just continue not to buy it after SpaceX gets included.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_fund

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#45

I’m trying to understand the mechanics here. I get that SpaceX and Nasdaq are in cahoots to get SpaceX bundled with a bunch of other stocks (and that bundle is called QQQ?) But why must retail investors hold this bundle? If I’m holding now, I can sell it and buy a different bundle right? And if I’m not holding it now, I can just continue not to buy it after SpaceX gets included.

If you are a financial brokerage and you want to offer the S&P 100 or the NASDAQ 100, you can't just do that. You have to license that - https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/custom-indices/solutions/

I imagine, though I don't know, that the requirement to use the index name and contents also dictates allocation.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#46
post #41

To explain the mechanism simply. Suppose you had a index of 100 companys each with a market cap of 1 G$ for a total of 100 G$. You have passive investors owning 20 G$ of that index, amounting to 20% of the total, 20% of each company, and 200 M$ per company. You then rotate out a company for a new one also worth 1 G$. The index is still 100 G$, but to match the index you are contractually required to sell your 20% own…

Yes, when SpaceX gets added to the index, it's going to skyrocket for just that reason. The other reason why SpaceX stock is going to skyrocket is because of the "infinite potential". After all, Elon is going to be God-Emperor of Mars, and how much is a piece of that worth?

The OP knows this and wants a window to profit from this squeeze. For the general public index owners, the sooner it's added to the index the better, minimizing the time that traders can front run this squeeze ahead of them.

Perhaps better it's not added to the indices at all, but as long as it's inevitable, the sooner the better.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#47
Tsla is 1.4T market cap, so it's almost like *ELON-stock is going to double in 1 day. It will go from 4% to 8% of qqq in 1 day.

It'll happen a week or a month after IPO date though? It took fb/meta 1 year and then it entered as 1% qqq. TSLA entered 3 years after IPO so probably a small percentage.

Tsla is 2% vti (2T AUM). QQQ is 400B AUM. So add those two and you get $56B of purchasing. This seems like the amount they want to raise via IPO in total in the news, so the banks who do the IPO can sell it all guaranteed.

But people will want to buy it before it gets into the passive funds... So... Post inclusion market cap will be higher than we expect?

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

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post #42
post #33

Anyone know if vanguards VTI is immune from such practices?

VTI just tracks the CRSP US total stock index, see https://investor.vanguard.com/investment-products/etfs/profi... The CRSP index itself adds new companies within 5 days of their IPO, see https://www.crsp.org/what-owning-the-market-really-means/ > The CRSP US Total Market Index, by contrast, adds all IPOs ranging from mega caps to small caps—accounting for 98% of the market—within the first five trading days of the s…

The actual scheme described in the OP requires the multiplier to work, though. Otherwise it's just like any other company that's tightly held, in which case only the free float counts and the scheme unravels.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

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post #41

To explain the mechanism simply. Suppose you had a index of 100 companys each with a market cap of 1 G$ for a total of 100 G$. You have passive investors owning 20 G$ of that index, amounting to 20% of the total, 20% of each company, and 200 M$ per company. You then rotate out a company for a new one also worth 1 G$. The index is still 100 G$, but to match the index you are contractually required to sell your 20% own…

>That is the scheme described: how to short squeeze retirement funds who do not even have shorts for fun and profit.

How many retirement funds use the nadasq 100 as the benchmark? The only thing that's really objectionable is the 5x multiplier, and so far as I can tell that's confined to the nasdaq 100 index. If the funds use a sane index without such shenanigans, it won't be affected nearly as much, and the whole debate just turns into the perennial question on whether [company] is overvalued and whether passive investors are being taken for a ride.

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