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Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#31

Uh, can someone explain this to me like I’m 5, but somehow still have money invested in index funds? It makes me sound like my invested-in-vanguard-total-market-indexes-and-fidelity-target-date-funds money is going to be mechanically dumped into Elon Stock because of FinanceWord FinanceWord FinanceWord gobbledgook FinanceWord but is that the correct reading?

Index funds divvy up money into stocks, in this case weighted by market cap. More market cap = bigger slice of the pie.

SpaceX wants to instantly jump near the top of the pie - capturing tons of the money in index funds for itself, and also therefore taking it away from other companies stocks.

SpaceX (and others like OpenAI, Anthropic)'s private market cap valuation is so high that if they IPO they would instantly jump to the top of the entire stock market. This has never really happened before. By the rules, funds would have to suddenly start buying a huge weight of SpaceX stock - and sell NVDA/AAPL/GOOGL/everything else - to achieve the new balance.

Normally there are rules on how fast a new company can get included in the index. You usually have to be on the market for some time, demonstrate consistently high valuation, etc etc. SpaceX wants to skirt this and jump straight onto the index (near the top).

Further, the rules also usually weight you according to how much of your stock is actually on the market. If you only sell 5% of your company, you only get weighted at 5% of your market cap. SpaceX wants a bonus multiplier so even though they'll only make 5% of their stock available for sale, they want to be weighted in the index as if it was say 15% available. Aka over-bought / boosted price.

This creates both mechanical forced buying and artificially constrained supply. Likely sending the price to the moon, not based on fundamentals but based on gaming the index rules.

Then, once insider lock-up periods are over in a few months, SpaceX can choose to release even more shares - say jumping the available shares from 5% to 100% - which will unleash their full market cap (now even further inflated) and thus capturing even more of the money in index funds.

Index funds being 'passive' guarantees there will be buyers for SpaceX employees and executives to sell their shares to, likely at exorbitantly over-valued prices. At which point they wash their hands of the valuation and your retirement account becomes the new bag holder who has to worry about whether SpaceX is actually worth what you just paid for it.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#32
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

this account is obviously an LLM...

The comment is indeed, the account as a whole hasnt seemed to be in the past.

There's a big difference between the first chunk of this account's history and their posting over the last ~2 hours. Either they suddenly adopted a very different and, frankly, dramatically more literate-but-vapid writing style, or they're running an LLM responder.

On the one hand:

> 11 comments in the last two hours, each 3-4 3-sentence paragraphs expounding essentially very polished summaries of the text with no added context

On the other:

> paseante 74 days ago | parent | context | prev | next [–] | on: Efficient method to capture carbon dioxide from th...

> That's the first thing I thought when I read the title. Hey we have already efficient systems for eliminating CO2 from the athmosphere: trees!. The joke tells itself.

> It seems like we have not yet done the full circle, but we are close.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#34
Why can't an index fund compute and track their own objective index, thus ignoring any distortion introduced by the Nasdaq?

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding: It depends on what index the fund is tracking. QQQ tracks the Nasdaq-100 so QQQ is vulnerable. VT tracks the FTSE Global All Cap Index so VT is not directly affected by Nasdaq’s choices but is still exposed to some extent because spacex is likely going to be in the aforementioned FTSE index, Nasdaq’s actions impact spacex’s market cap, and thus Nasdaq’s actions impact spacex’s position in the aforem…

VIFAX?

I think it’d be a rinse and repeat of the line of thinking for VT but more exposure than VT.

From VIFAX fund’s description on vanguard:

> The fund offers exposure to 500 of the largest U.S. companies

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

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post #34

Why can't an index fund compute and track their own objective index, thus ignoring any distortion introduced by the Nasdaq?

Because when I buy QQQ expect it to track the Nasdaq-100, not something else.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#38
I’m trying to understand the mechanics here. I get that SpaceX and Nasdaq are in cahoots to get SpaceX bundled with a bunch of other stocks (and that bundle is called QQQ?)

But why must retail investors hold this bundle? If I’m holding now, I can sell it and buy a different bundle right? And if I’m not holding it now, I can just continue not to buy it after SpaceX gets included.

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#39

Uh, can someone explain this to me like I’m 5, but somehow still have money invested in index funds? It makes me sound like my invested-in-vanguard-total-market-indexes-and-fidelity-target-date-funds money is going to be mechanically dumped into Elon Stock because of FinanceWord FinanceWord FinanceWord gobbledgook FinanceWord but is that the correct reading?

Index funds divvy up money into stocks, in this case weighted by market cap. More market cap = bigger slice of the pie. SpaceX wants to instantly jump near the top of the pie - capturing tons of the money in index funds for itself, and also therefore taking it away from other companies stocks. SpaceX (and others like OpenAI, Anthropic)'s private market cap valuation is so high that if they IPO they would instantly ju…

And if you an approximate 5 year old investor normal person…

Just buy everything you can on day1 and go along for the ride?

Re: Nasdaq's Shame

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Index funds divvy up money into stocks, in this case weighted by market cap. More market cap = bigger slice of the pie. SpaceX wants to instantly jump near the top of the pie - capturing tons of the money in index funds for itself, and also therefore taking it away from other companies stocks. SpaceX (and others like OpenAI, Anthropic)'s private market cap valuation is so high that if they IPO they would instantly ju…

And if you an approximate 5 year old investor normal person… Just buy everything you can on day1 and go along for the ride?

Maybe use your lunch money to buy day 1 and sell just before the lockup period expires? And rebalance your actual retirement accounts into funds that will not get forced into this game.
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