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Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by hnlmorg »

masfuerte wrote: post #13
hnlmorg wrote: post #7

I use Gimp pretty sporadically but the latest UI refresh (I’m guessing introduced in 3.0?) completely baffles me. It might just be that it’s better tailored for graphic designers, which I’m clearly not. But now I can’t even figure out how to draw a square on screen. Let along anything clever.

Select a rectangle. Stroke or fill the selection. I agree it's a bit counter-intuitive, but afaik it's always worked like that.

I don’t see that option. Maybe the issue is my installation has broken in some odd way. I’ll try completely removing it and all preferences, then reinstalling.

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by hnlmorg »

cmyk_student wrote: post #30
hnlmorg wrote: post #7

I use Gimp pretty sporadically but the latest UI refresh (I’m guessing introduced in 3.0?) completely baffles me. It might just be that it’s better tailored for graphic designers, which I’m clearly not. But now I can’t even figure out how to draw a square on screen. Let along anything clever.

Hi! What was the last version of GIMP that you used before 3.0? We get an equal amount of "GIMP's UI never changes!" and "You changed too much of the UI in the latest version", so it's difficult sometimes to figure out the specific issues.

I’ve been using it for at least a decade, likely longer.

Albeit I might only use it, at most, for a few hours every few months. So I’m definitely not a seasoned expert despite that length of time. But I always considered myself reasonably competent.

I usually indifferent about UI changes, I’m not someone who tends to complain either for nor against. So this isn’t a complaint about Gimp changing thing (if that’s what happened). The issue here is really more about how I now cannot figure out the simple things any more. And that might just be on me rather than Gimp.

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by TiredOfLife »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #68
TiredOfLife wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like 99.9999 of woodworkers already cheat by using metal and not wood tools

I didn't say using different technology was cheating, and metal tools are certainly part of woodworking for thousands of years so that's not really comparable. It's also very different because there's a qualitative change between metal woodworking tools and a laser cutter. The latter requires electricity and massive investments.

Metal tools also require massive investments compared to plain wood tools.

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by masfuerte »

hnlmorg wrote: post #71
masfuerte wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Select a rectangle. Stroke or fill the selection. I agree it's a bit counter-intuitive, but afaik it's always worked like that.

I don’t see that option. Maybe the issue is my installation has broken in some odd way. I’ll try completely removing it and all preferences, then reinstalling.

Type "R" to enter rectangle select mode. Click and drag on the image to select. "Stroke Selection" and various fills are on the Edit menu.

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by hagbard_c »

cmyk_student wrote: post #6
nickjj wrote: post #4

Being able to scale an image without losing quality is going to be handy. I always found it odd that scaling down an image now and then scaling it back to its original size 2 seconds later with the same tool resulted in a loss of quality and having to delete the layer, then re-import the image to get the original quality back. This plugin https://github.com/LinuxBeaver/Gimp_Layer_Effects_Text_Style... also makes addi…

It's because each transform was "destructive" (like filters use to be by default). What link & vector layers do instead is store a transform matrix, so each transform just updates the matrix instead of actually re-rasterizing the layer each time. We were hoping to expand that feature to all layer types for 3.2, but we ran out of time to properly test it for release. It'll like be finished for the next minor release.

Many years ago I tested a native OS/2 image editor with this feature. It also made it possible to undo an individual transform or effect in the current stack while leaving the rest untouched. Will that be possible in Gimp as well?

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by cmyk_student »

hagbard_c wrote: post #75
cmyk_student wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because each transform was "destructive" (like filters use to be by default). What link & vector layers do instead is store a transform matrix, so each transform just updates the matrix instead of actually re-rasterizing the layer each time. We were hoping to expand that feature to all layer types for 3.2, but we ran out of time to properly test it for release. It'll like be finished for the next minor release.

Many years ago I tested a native OS/2 image editor with this feature. It also made it possible to undo an individual transform or effect in the current stack while leaving the rest untouched. Will that be possible in Gimp as well?

Yes, it's planned for transform tools and already possible with filters. Technically our transform tools are already capable of this (they use GEGL operations the same as our non-destructive filters). We just need to tweak it to not immediately commit the transform, and then implement a UI.

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by stuaxo »

AbuAssar wrote: post #36

Is it possible to train a model on all gimp features that will eventually let us prompt whatever edits we want and it’ll automate gimp to achieve it?

You could do this, GIMP is scriptable which is half the battle - you may not even need to train a model.

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by Alupis »

selfhoster1312 wrote: post #65
Alupis wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like most of us, they're certainly using ai-assisted auto-complete and chat for thinking deep. I highly doubt they're vibe coding, which is how I interpret the parent's question and probably why they are being down voted.

This is insulting to our craft, like going to a woodworkers convention and assuming "most of [them]" are using 3D-printers and laser cutters. Half the developers I know still don't use LSP (and they're not necessarily older devs), and even the full-time developers in my circle resist their bosses forcing Copilot or Claude down their throats and use in fact 0 AI. Living in France, i don't know a single developer using…

> Half the developers I know still don't use LSP

Your IDE either uses an LSP or has its own baked-in proprietary version of a LSP. Nobody, and I mean nobody, working on real projects is "raw dawgin" a text file.

Most modern IDE's support smart auto-complete, a form of AI assistance, and most people use that at a minimum. Further, most IDE's do support advanced AI assisted auto-complete via copilot, codex, Claude or a plethora of other options - and many (or most) use them to save time writing and refactoring predictable, repetitive portions of their code.

Not doing so is like forgoing wheels on your car because technically you can just slide it upon the ground.

The only people I've seen in the situation you've described are students at university learning their first language...

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by tejohnso »

tartoran wrote: post #8
tejohnso wrote: post #3

Love GIMP. Always capable of doing anything I need done with raster images or even PDFs. Lately I've been opening PDFs and lightening the pages so that they can be printed without wasting a bunch of toner on backgrounds that are meant to be white but were scanned in as a light grey.

I assume you don’t do this manually and you’re doing some kind of scripting, can you describe your process?

Sorry, I don't have to do it in sufficient quantity of frequency to encourage scripting. And while doing it manually, I notice that the required tweaking of levels changes depending on the content of the page and how poor the scan is. I'm not sure an automated solution would provide satisfactory results consistently.

Re: GIMP 3.2 released

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Post by unmole »

Alupis wrote: post #78
selfhoster1312 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is insulting to our craft, like going to a woodworkers convention and assuming "most of [them]" are using 3D-printers and laser cutters. Half the developers I know still don't use LSP (and they're not necessarily older devs), and even the full-time developers in my circle resist their bosses forcing Copilot or Claude down their throats and use in fact 0 AI. Living in France, i don't know a single developer using…

> Half the developers I know still don't use LSP Your IDE either uses an LSP or has its own baked-in proprietary version of a LSP. Nobody, and I mean nobody , working on real projects is "raw dawgin" a text file. Most modern IDE's support smart auto-complete, a form of AI assistance, and most people use that at a minimum. Further, most IDE's do support advanced AI assisted auto-complete via copilot, codex, Claude or…

I guess I'm nobody then.

I write code exclusively in vim. Unless you want to pretend that ctags is a proprietary version of an LSP, I'm not using an LSP either. I work at a global tech company, and the codebase I work on powers the datacenter networks of most hyperscalers. So, very much a real project. And I'm not an outlier, probably half the engineers at my company are just raw dawgin it with either vim or emacs.

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