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Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by bertylicious »

santamex wrote: post #41

I havily use llms for internal communication. I receive docen request per day from colleagues asking me very specific stuff by mail or teams about processes, setups, master data, my particular experiences with approaches, for contacts within our big corp or just general knowledge questions and how I would recommend to tackle certain problems: Setting up conditions in sap, where to find certain info or just send them…

This sounds like a very odd and very lonely job to me. Reading your description I pictured a comically tiny room with only one opening for incoming requests and another one for outgoing responses. Obviously silly, but in an abstract sense maybe not that far from the truth?

It also sounds like you were overworked and when you started to use LLMs you've stripped yourself of the chance to work with a colleague.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by duskdozer »

altilunium wrote: post #36

Last time I did that, I got pointed out as an ESL and got insulted and laughed at.

Honestly that's a sign you shouldn't stay around those people. If you're financially dependent on it and can't leave, okay, exception granted, but that kind of behavior isn't ok.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by Kye »

moondance wrote: post #50
borski wrote: post #31

I find that AI is very useful for getting me past the 'blank page' writing block, but inevitably it writes in ways I would never, and so I end up editing it heavily. But, for me, a boy with ADHD, editing something is infinitely easier than writing it from scratch . I think this is the opposite of how most people tend to use LLMs, and I actually think my way is the "better" way. My issue has never been the act of writ…

I can relate to the inclination, but so many new insights and moments of inspiration are necessarily confined to that painstaking iterative line-by-line process of real writing. When you are simply prompting and editing, you will fill the page (and it might even sound like “you”), but you will not have that delightful experience of encountering something unexpected along the way to filling it.

There's nothing stopping you from doing that with an LLM. I get more insights refining a draft through prompts than I ever did writing because there's more of it. The end stage of that process rarely sees the light of day because the artifact wasn't the point.

For writing as thinking with trouble starting from scratch, LLMs are the most important technology to emerge in my lifetime. Microblogging filled that gap in a way, but it had too many downsides.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by em-bee »

rexpop wrote: post #6

> It robs me of getting to know you. Ugh, you are not entitled to get to know me. There is a threshold between all that I share with the world and the rest of me. Hell, not every person gets the same picture , and that's deliberate and healthy --my customers don't get to know what my proctologist knows. My mother doesn't get to know what my wife knows. You don't get to know all of me, because I don't trust you . This…

in some cultures getting to know you is a crucial part of a business relationship. no connection -> no business.

likewise for friends (not just your girlfriend), getting to know you is part of developing friendship.

so family, friends, work, business, that pretty much covers everyone you deal with on a regular basis.

i would go as far as saying that if you don't trust me then you have no business even communicating with me unless the interaction is incidental.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by duskdozer »

rexpop wrote: post #6

> It robs me of getting to know you. Ugh, you are not entitled to get to know me. There is a threshold between all that I share with the world and the rest of me. Hell, not every person gets the same picture , and that's deliberate and healthy --my customers don't get to know what my proctologist knows. My mother doesn't get to know what my wife knows. You don't get to know all of me, because I don't trust you . This…

It's not "getting to know you" in that sense, it's getting to know the public face you present, whether I can trust you, and how I can interact with you most smoothly. If you're my coworker and you don't ever want to talk about your family or friends or personal interests or problems or anything, that's fine.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by kashyapc »

I recently heard a new (to me) excuse:

When in the middle of a group text-chat, someone replied with AI-generated blather. It was dead-clear with the usual sterile vocab, structured buzzphrases, and other LLM "tells".

I politely called him out and asked to use his own voice. In public he insisted that it was his voice and that he used AI only for "formatting". But in private he admits that he created a "gem to assist with multicultural comms", which generated the text. He claims he did it because "not everyone can take the native American English well". A load of bovine manure. I nicely told him to cut this crap and just write as it comes to him. (Basic spell- and grammar-check is fine.)

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by em-bee »

ryandrake wrote: post #21
rexpop wrote: post #6

> It robs me of getting to know you. Ugh, you are not entitled to get to know me. There is a threshold between all that I share with the world and the rest of me. Hell, not every person gets the same picture , and that's deliberate and healthy --my customers don't get to know what my proctologist knows. My mother doesn't get to know what my wife knows. You don't get to know all of me, because I don't trust you . This…

I'm so tired of hearing that word online. True: Nobody is entitled to be treated nicely. Nobody is entitled to an open, friendly relationship. Nobody is entitled to get to know you. If we only did what we were entitled to do, and received what we were entitled to receive, the world would be an even shittier place than it already is. We have enough people walking around with the "You're not entitled to me being nice,…

and acťually i believe the opposite is true: we are entitled to be treated nicely. we are entitled to an open and friendly relationship. and while i agree that we are not entitled to get to know you, i'd prefer to deal with an authentic person, because hiding behind a generic facade makes it easier for someone to impersonate you, putting you at risk of becoming a victim of identity theft.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by [deleted] »

solatic wrote: post #51

The way the post is written, I wonder if the author is working for a company going through a growth spurt and where, through sheer size, everything is becoming more "corporate". There's a huge difference between having AI clean up a text you send privately to someone you have worked closely with for years, versus a broad spectrum text sent by a VP to hundreds of people or more. The first case is reprehensible, for th…

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Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by latexr »

santamex wrote: post #41

I havily use llms for internal communication. I receive docen request per day from colleagues asking me very specific stuff by mail or teams about processes, setups, master data, my particular experiences with approaches, for contacts within our big corp or just general knowledge questions and how I would recommend to tackle certain problems: Setting up conditions in sap, where to find certain info or just send them…

> People have no problem with receiving obviously llm written answers.

If I asked you for your particular experience on something and got an obvious LLM reply, I might say nothing or I might ask if it was an LLM, but either way I’m unlikely to ask you something or trust you ever again. Which also works for you, I guess, since it’d be one fewer person taking up your time. But if you had instead told me “I’m too swamped to help right now” I would’ve instead offered to help take some burden off your back.

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