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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by muyuu »

wredcoll wrote: post #384
duxup wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a parental controls / software problem. It’s a parents showing self control / parenting and monitoring their children in person thing.

Do you genuinely not remember being a child?

tbf, when most of those posting here were children, access to smartphones/tablets with unrestricted internet connection wasn't a problem

but i do remember my parents actually raising me pretty hands-on, taking care of me not watching stuff I shouldn't be watching which of course existed and was easily available

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Post by muyuu »

smsm42 wrote: post #254
brightball wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

Looks like it: https://tboteproject.com/

goes well beyond that

that is just the US

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by muyuu »

ab_testing wrote: post #255

Why are Linux operating system providers taking it upon themselves to comply with the California law especially if they are not selling anything. Since it is just a downloadable piece of software then it is up to California state to set up a firewall to protect themselves from such harmful software. Let's say I am a generic linux developer who develops variants of Debian Linux while sitting in my basement in any part…

because the laws are coming with massive fines and penalties that will apply to people not even selling anything

unless you can confidently dodge American law enforcement, which is a big ask unless you are solidly anonymous somehow, then you are forced to react in some way

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by fainpul »

somat wrote: post #193

It is a stupid law but I feel people are overthinking this. For compliance the os has to provide an age category to an application and an interface for the user to enter this data. We already have an api to provide information to applications. it's called the filesystem. and an interface to enter the data, that's called the shell. so everything is already there. If the user lives in california and wants to be complia…

You are underthinking this.

You described a technical solution to comply with this law. Yes, that's easy. The problem is the legal implications.

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Post by subscribed »

bee_rider wrote: post #218
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. This is absolutely not true. Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting[1] on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. As far as…

But this is ridiculous. The problem was created by the state (which ultimately runs the schools), and now the state wants to impose additional rules on a bunch of totally unrelated adults to (probably fail to) solve their self-imposed problem.

You're saying that because you fell for the scam. Seriously, every "think of the children" initiative is a scam.

And especially for that one it was quite obvious lawmakers were purchased to introduce these laws.

And there are receipts, too: https://codeberg.org/svin/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by muyuu »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #115

I wonder if we can get a popular referendum to sentence Meta to capital punishment. There would be great rejoicing.

unironically those pushing for blatantly unconstitutional laws should be charged for sedition and moved to a death penalty state

but that is an American solution, not a worldwide one and this is happening everywhere

would be great if the US provided a safe haven against all of this garbage, because this would essentially derail other efforts and other jurisdictions dead-set on them would have to go full China/Russia/Iran/NK and segregate themselves

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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rockskon wrote: post #184
brightball wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not if you’ve paid attention to political trends for the last 15 years. Everything is happening at the same time in every country. It’s clearly being coordinated.

It's almost like a well-monied or well-connected lobbyist is pushing this heavily. Multiple contenders out there as to who it could be. But regardless of who the originator is, the push can be kneecapped. Imagine jurisdictions that have an opposite push - one that criminalizes use of age verification software such as mandating providing government ID or facial scans. It can be done!

It can't be done unless you have deeper pockets and access to media controlling the hard of thinking.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by drnick1 »

tstrimple wrote: post #364
jacquesm wrote: post #141

There is no way that this will happen on any Linux box that I use. And this is why I'm an enemy of device attestation and the requirement to register operating systems in the first place, no matter whether it is Apple or Microsoft.

Looks like you're yet another person speaking out of their ass. There is no age attestation in the California bill. You specify an age at account creation that sites and apps must query. And they cannot fall back on other methods like uploading your drivers license to websites which is rapidly becoming a thing in red states. There is no verification. Just a system that enables your OS to respond to age queries and pr…

> You specify an age at account creation that sites and apps must query.

The Internet has been a free place for 30+ years and I don't see a reason to change that. I grew up with the ability to access all kinds of content on the Internet, in an unrestricted manner, and it is sad to see that decision makers now want to take this away from younger generations.

We must absolutely resist any attempt at profiling Internet users. Age is only the first step. If people give in now, the next step will be other personal information, and it will also be done in the name of "protecting children" or "catching terrorists" as always. The writing is on the wall.

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Post by prohobo »

microtonal wrote: post #358
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. Spoken as someone who probably hasn't used iOS/Mac parental controls. It is a hot buggy mess that randomly blocks whitelisted applications as well. We use it, but it is a constant pain. Also a lot of applications only work half, e.g., TV apps blocking off all content rather than only content that is not age-appropria…

The addiction economy is hard to deal with for anyone - regardless of age. So, I agree this is definitely not a solved problem, but from what I see the only viable way forward is actually to do pretty drastic things like not own a smartphone.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by saturnite »

prohobo wrote: post #385
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. Obviously, it's not for protecting children. Obviously, it's a technocratic trojan horse for increasing surveillance capabilities on digital systems. This is so cynically anti-democratic that they obfuscate the real purpose, don't even bother to make it plausible, and everyone is left talking about how "awful it is" that it's alr…

If this goes through, I wouldn't be surprised if facial recognition ends up being the "solution" to the problems this creates.

I walked to get a sandwich today and I counted no less than ten cameras along the way.

On an unrelated note, I'm thinking of taking up a laser hobby.

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