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Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by ryandrake »

rexpop wrote: post #6

> It robs me of getting to know you. Ugh, you are not entitled to get to know me. There is a threshold between all that I share with the world and the rest of me. Hell, not every person gets the same picture , and that's deliberate and healthy --my customers don't get to know what my proctologist knows. My mother doesn't get to know what my wife knows. You don't get to know all of me, because I don't trust you . This…

I'm so tired of hearing that word online.

True: Nobody is entitled to be treated nicely. Nobody is entitled to an open, friendly relationship. Nobody is entitled to get to know you. If we only did what we were entitled to do, and received what we were entitled to receive, the world would be an even shittier place than it already is. We have enough people walking around with the "You're not entitled to me being nice, so I'm not gonna be! nyaaaaa!" attitudes.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by ahf8Aithaex7Nai »

That’s exactly why I’ve refused to use autocomplete on smartphone keyboards from the very beginning. I want to express myself in my own words.

In a work context, of course, things are a bit different: I want to move the project forward and not jeopardize my future paychecks. Authenticity tends to take a back seat there. However, I’d be more concerned about inefficiency. Is it really necessary to run every piece of communication through ChatGPT to refine the wording? Are you sure nothing gets lost in the process? Doesn’t that end up wasting a lot of work time without adding any real value?

And on top of that, it leads to alienation and frustration. If you talk to me as if you were an LLM, don’t be surprised if I talk to you as if you were an LLM.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by devsda »

mrwh wrote: post #18
stingraycharles wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy fix: use an LLM to summarize it. (only half-joking, a part of me fears that this is the reality we’re moving towards)

That's absolutely what's happening already: write for me for the writer, summarise this for me for the reader. At some point it will become clear how absurdly wasteful we're being (right now, we're being paid to ignore that waste).

> write for me for the writer, summarise this for me for the reader.

It's funny though. For computer to computer conversation, we have invented (deflate+inflate) algorithms to save bandwidth, time and money.

On the other hand for human to human communication, we are in the process of inventing a (inflate+deflate) method and at the same time we are spending insane amounts of time, money & bandwidth to make it possible!

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by quectophoton »

I think there was an SMBC comic about this topic, but I don't think I can find it, and the site doesn't exactly make it easy. I don't even remember if it was pre-2020 or not.

It was about how people would get a thing (a robot?) that would repeat whatever they said but in a more fancy way (or something along those lines), to make them sound smarter. Then the people would start depending on these robots to communicate at all, to the point their speech degrades and they start making unintelligible noises that the robots still translate into actual speech.

EDIT: Found it, from 2014: https://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3576

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

citizenpaul wrote: post #8
stingraycharles wrote: post #5

Yeah, some colleagues started using ChatGPT for internal communication as well. While we don’t like to mandate or prohibit anyone from using any tools, we did need to make it really clear to everyone that this is not productive. Grammarly to make small corrections to external recipients is fine. Using ChatGPT to “polish” your message is not. If you’re not sure about your English abilities, we offer you free English l…

Tbe hard truth is at work there is no authenticity.

Why play this word game that has nothing to do with their point? I can write an email about TPS reports in my own voice without caring about the subject matter. That's authentic. I care about performing my job well and with individuality and (no pun intended) agency.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by lich_king »

stingraycharles wrote: post #9
rexpop wrote: post #6

> It robs me of getting to know you. Ugh, you are not entitled to get to know me. There is a threshold between all that I share with the world and the rest of me. Hell, not every person gets the same picture , and that's deliberate and healthy --my customers don't get to know what my proctologist knows. My mother doesn't get to know what my wife knows. You don't get to know all of me, because I don't trust you . This…

What are you rambling about? It’s not about your doctor using ChatGPT for his newsletter, it’s about your colleagues using ChatGPT on Slack or email. I personally think that the people who can’t be bothered to actually write authentic messages, and assume that everyone will just read their word salad full of repetitive AI patterns, are being the ones acting entitled.

It is, because of the baked-in asymmetry. "I couldn't be bothered to write it, but you have to read it". Unless your expectation is that I'm going to have my chatbot summarize the messages from your chatbot, in which case, maybe we should just both ride off into the sunset.

Re: Allow me to get to know you, mistakes and all

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Post by anal_reactor »

I use ChatGPT for communication. It started with "please fix typos" and now it's "write me a slack message about this and that". This is mostly an effect of the communication environment we created - taking risks is rarely rewarded, and mistakes can be very costly. Remember, you're always one misunderstood message away from being fired. Of course there are people whom I trust and I'd never offend them with AI-generated slop, but the rest of the humanity - it is what it is, LLMs help me a lot.
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