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Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
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Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#82@apt-apt-apt-apt pointed out in a separate comment that: >A simple translation of keywords seems straightforward, I wonder why it's not standard. I replied that for Japanese at least, probably due to symbol input being too tedious. However I think it's worth mentioning a potential mitigation, and maybe even an advantage. As a mitigation, full-width symbols could be used instead, which are typically the default in Jap…
Japanese input system do allow use of arbitrary UTF-8 symbols, but you have to type out the "pronunciation" for symbols, e.g. "nottoiko-ru" for ≠, "goudou" for ≡, "yueni" for ∴, "ramuda" for λ, etc. Just using "!=" is faster.
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#83Great work :) If you're interested in Korean programming languages, there's a functional one called 'Nuri': https://github.com/suhdonghwi/nuri/ Rather than just translating keywords, it lets you write code that actually uses Korean grammar. For example, "10을 5로 나누고 출력하다" (literally "10 by 5 divide and print") outputs "2". You might already know this, but there's also a Korean programming language called 'Yaksok'. Her…
I know barely any Korean vocab and can't read Hangul nor am I set up to type it. But is "yaksok", perchance, cognate with Japanese 約束 (やくそく)?
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#84A simple translation of keywords seems straightforward, I wonder why it's not standard. # def two_sum(arr: list[int], target: int) -> list[int]: 펀크 투섬(아래이: 목록[정수], 타개트: 정수) -> 목록[정수]: # n = len(arr) ㄴ = 길이(아래이) # start, end = 0, n - 1 시작, 끝 = 0, ㄴ - 1 # while start Code would be more compact, allowing things like more descriptive keywords e.g. AbstractVerifiedIdentityAccountFactory vs 실명인증계정생성, but we'd lose out on t…
It's been tried with Chinese Python back in the early 2000s: http://reganmian.net/blog/2008/11/21/chinese-python-translat... It never really took off. I think because computers already require users to read and type Latin letters in lots of other situations, and it's not that hard to learn what a few keywords mean, so you might as well stick with the English keywords everyone else is using.
There has been more recent interest expressed as well, but still with no momentum as far as I can tell. E.g.: https://discuss.python.org/t/supporting-non-english-developm...
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#85It reminds me of the Easy Programming Language(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easy_Programming_Language), a Chinese programming language. Many kids in China started learning programming with it about 15 years ago.
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#86Great work :) If you're interested in Korean programming languages, there's a functional one called 'Nuri': https://github.com/suhdonghwi/nuri/ Rather than just translating keywords, it lets you write code that actually uses Korean grammar. For example, "10을 5로 나누고 출력하다" (literally "10 by 5 divide and print") outputs "2". You might already know this, but there's also a Korean programming language called 'Yaksok'. Her…
I know barely any Korean vocab and can't read Hangul nor am I set up to type it. But is "yaksok", perchance, cognate with Japanese 約束 (やくそく)?
yes, and you will find a lot of borrowed words from chinese (and sometimes japanese) sound similar (more or less) in both languages
a big one: hanja (kr) kanji (jp) both are 漢字
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#87This is an interesting approach. Using Korean identifiers gives the code a very distinctive look and makes the project stand out. However, from a collaboration perspective it might reduce readability for contributors who are not familiar with Korean.
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Korean doesn’t reduce typing compared to English from my experience. What looks like a “character” is actually a syllable block called “eumjeol” that’s made up of consonants (moeum)and vowels (jaeum). You can’t have a vowel only syllable either so you always have to pair it with a null consonant no matter what (which kinda looks like a zero: ㅇ) and while nouns can be much more concise compared to English, verbs can g…
It's fascinating and lucky how well Korean fits into a keyboard designed for English. Japanese and Chinese are notoriously inefficient to type.
The modern Korean Hangul script is phonographic, meaning it encodes sounds rather than ideas. Apparently that's good enough, or at least works better than how pure phonetic transcripts work for Japanese and Chinese languages, both of which users rejected that idea. But it was also a result of a relatively recent switch from Hanzi-Hangul mixed script used under Japanese occupation.
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#89A simple translation of keywords seems straightforward, I wonder why it's not standard. # def two_sum(arr: list[int], target: int) -> list[int]: 펀크 투섬(아래이: 목록[정수], 타개트: 정수) -> 목록[정수]: # n = len(arr) ㄴ = 길이(아래이) # start, end = 0, n - 1 시작, 끝 = 0, ㄴ - 1 # while start Code would be more compact, allowing things like more descriptive keywords e.g. AbstractVerifiedIdentityAccountFactory vs 실명인증계정생성, but we'd lose out on t…
It's been tried with Chinese Python back in the early 2000s: http://reganmian.net/blog/2008/11/21/chinese-python-translat... It never really took off. I think because computers already require users to read and type Latin letters in lots of other situations, and it's not that hard to learn what a few keywords mean, so you might as well stick with the English keywords everyone else is using.
I think the actual reason it has not taken off is because of the ecosystem. You can translate Python, but nobody using a high-level language like Python uses just Python. The first time you pull in a library and are met with a wall of English documentation, error codes, and APIs, you're right back to where you started. Low-level OS APIs are also in English. I suspect there is a lot of potential being left on the table here, but it's a massive undertaking because you need to translate not only a language but also enough of an ecosystem for people to be able to make programs.
Re: Show HN: Han – A Korean programming language written in Rust
#90Great work :) If you're interested in Korean programming languages, there's a functional one called 'Nuri': https://github.com/suhdonghwi/nuri/ Rather than just translating keywords, it lets you write code that actually uses Korean grammar. For example, "10을 5로 나누고 출력하다" (literally "10 by 5 divide and print") outputs "2". You might already know this, but there's also a Korean programming language called 'Yaksok'. Her…
I know barely any Korean vocab and can't read Hangul nor am I set up to type it. But is "yaksok", perchance, cognate with Japanese 約束 (やくそく)?
Yes, countries in the Sinosphere have historically used Chinese characters to write their languages. That's why Korean "yaksok" and Japanese "yakusoku" sound so similar. Both words are written with the same Chinese characters, "約束". The characters were borrowed from Chinese, but each language adapted them to its own pronunciation system.
For example, "library" is pronounced "tu-shu-guan" in Chinese, "do-seo-gwan" in Korean, and "to-sho-kan" in Japanese. All three can be written with the same characters, "圖書館". In modern Korea, though, people use Hangul, so very few Koreans actually know how to write "library" in Chinese characters. In Japan, Chinese characters are still heavily used, but for difficult ones, they often write kana alongside them as a reading aid.
It's very much like how Latin "universitas" became "university" in English, "universidad" in Spanish, and "università" in Italian.