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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by ericd »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #188
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > B) schools aren't in fact obligated to enable those, and some don't. > The technical problem is solved, if they don't want to implement the solution that's on them. Just to be clear - do you not understand that a parent might be parenting, but some times their children is in care of a school? Your focus on "a technical solution exists" is missing the real issue here, and it's not a technical one.

>but some times their children is in care of a school? And not only that but some of those times are dinner break, on a school campus with a thousand other kids and barely any supervision. Even if phones are banned, it's easy to hide one and for a child to be showing their friends unhinged stuff they found on 4chan. And some of those times are on a bus carrying at least 50 kids when they're 'supervised' only by a dri…

I mean, we all saw the occasional heinous stuff, goatse, lemon party, etc, that doesn't ruin you. I don't think preventing them from ever seeing anything disturbing is a realistic goal. It's more an issue when kids are allowed to be fully addicted on an ongoing basis instead of spending their time doing things that help them grow. I think keeping them from spending all their free time on youtube or in Roblox is more the goal.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by coldtea »

curt15 wrote: post #161
coldtea wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> > Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. > This is absolutely not true.Here in the UK schools are swarming with ipads and shit like that. They're given to primary school children because they're "more engaging". Children are supposed to practice their reading and even handwriting on ipads. Naturally they're on youtube instead. It's really bad. And how…

The schools could also simply not distribute tablets or laptops to students. The technology has not produced noticeably better readers, thinkers, or writers compared to the days when students read actual books and wrote on paper.

In fact this would be a great way to curb LLM cheating

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by horsh1 »

The problem is that organizations providing infrastructure (such as message exchange, money exchange, physical entities exchange) are allowed by law to manipulate the stream, heavily advertise, provide credit etc all kind of scum. Depriving children from writing a message to parents and friends is nonsense. Exposing them to these for-profit organizations is questionable. But that is also questionable with the grown ups.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by akersten »

terribleperson wrote: post #152
themafia wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. I do not want an "API" in my OS to reveal information about me. I do not want this to operate without my consent. I do not want to be limited from accessing certain sites because I refuse to implement this. No age verification at the OS level. If Meta needs to verify ages for their _profitable_ business, that's entirely _their_ problem. Get your hands off my equipment.

It's not OS age verification. You put in an age. It does not check whether it's real. It does not ask for an ID. That will get provided to app stores and probably browsers. It should be possible to spoof, too. The primary use case of this, in my mind, is so that a parent can give their kid a PC and set an age on the user account, and that will result in them being unable to access a variety of content. Same thing for…

> It's not even meaningfully de-anonymizing!

Until I poll the API every day until the bucket changes and now I know your exact birthdate. This law is not well-baked.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by Barbing »

nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Seen today on fedi—

vx-underground • @vxunderground

“Yeah, so basically the current prevailing sch[*]zo internet theory is that Al nerds have destroyed the internet and created infinite spam.

The advertisement goons are now incapable of determining who is a bot and who is an actual human. The advertisement goons no longer want to pay as much to social media networks.

Social media networks, in full blown panic of losing potential revenue, decided to lobby governments saying "we gotta protect the kids! ID everyone to protect the kids from pedophiles!".

The social media networks know this doesn't really protect kids. But, it does two things (and a third accidentally).

1. They now can identify who is human and who is Al slop machine, or enough to appease the advertisement goons

2. Advertising to children is a general no-no from politicians, or something, so with ID verification they can say with confidence they're not advertising to children because it's been ID verification. Basically, they can weed out the children and focus on advertising to adults

3. The feds can now tell who is human and who is Al slop. This inadvertently helps them with tracking people and serving fresh daily dumps of propaganda, or whatever they want to do. It's a win-win-win for advertisers, social media networks, the government, and any business which does data collections.

It fucks over everyone else.

Chat, I'm not going to lie to you. This is an extremely good conspiracy sch[*]zo theory and 1 unironically believe it.”

Mar 13, 2026 • 11:33 PM UTC*

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by reilly3000 »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #42

In this case, yes, this is probably a violation of the law as it is written. But I doubt law enforcement even notices or cares. You’re not actually doing anything to the kids. Maybe hypothetically you’re not setting/respecting an age flag in a web browser, but that’s the worst thing going on. So it’s a nice statement but ultimately hollow because the devs aren’t at any real risk of being arrested or fined. This isn’t…

Until the normies come in droves because their dear leader decided that it’s illegal to speak ill of him on a computer, or whatever drives mass change. The regulations will follow, and they will say what we were doing the whole time is impossible and would never work.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by thrance »

roenxi wrote: post #185
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

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Neither of these two groups you mention hold any meaningful power anywhere, and have zero links with the issue of age verification: your comment is pure disinformation.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by akersten »

pocksuppet wrote: post #36
kykat wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it just wants to invite a lawsuit

it's basically the government said "no asbestos in food" and some contrarians set up a website selling asbestos food, except not really because they don't have a product.

> it's basically the government said "no asbestos in food" and some contrarians

it's actually the government saying "you must include salt in your food" and a few people who cook dinner at home and don't care for salt set up a website teaching you how to desalinate your... (well, there's no direct continuation of the metaphor here, but the point is it's very important that this is not the government banning a developer from implementing something, it is them mandating a developer implement something. That's far more troubling than an "asbestos ban" as in "your open source project must not fry the computers it runs on," which is equally questionable in light of "no warranty expressed or implied" but a totally different ballgame from "this API is required")

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by qmr »

pocksuppet wrote: post #34
zimpenfish wrote: post #20

I wish iOS 26.4 didn't bother because I'm stuck with an immovable "verify you're 18+" flag[0] in Settings even though it was well into the previous century when I was even near 18. [0] I have no credit card and it won't accept debit cards. It also won't use the fact that I've had an Apple account and spent 10s of thousands in my own name at their damn shops, online and real life, over the last 2 decades (and Apple/pa…

You should hope the California law passes, because it'll be illegal for them to verify you're 18+ instead of just asking you whether you're 18+.

Horrible take.
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