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Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by akoboldfrying »

bdangubic wrote: post #200
themafia wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not OS age verification. The law specifically says your OS has to implement this API. It burdens my OS vendor with adding this. In this case, that's me, since I roll my own linux. > That will get provided to app stores and probably browsers. And how will they behave when my *OS* decides not to provide that signal? Which is what's going to happen since there's no way in hell I'm playing along with this garbage.…

> Why does social media need the same restrictions as pornography? this one is easy, as a parent I would rather have my daughter watch 10,000 hours of pornography than spent 1 hour on social media

Well, now I've seen everything.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

user3939382 wrote: post #169
kybernetikos wrote: post #157

I don't want to give the impression that I don't find the whole direction of travel concerning, because I do, but as I understand it, the requirement is that the system administrator assigns ages to the users on their system. That seems pretty reasonable to me, and maybe even like a good idea in some scenarios. As far as I know, we aren't talking about software that fights against the interests of the system owner -…

It's a shim for a legal requirement to tie TPM to your license and then to all online activity and computing.

I’m glad some people see this because the number of “oh but it’s just a small legal requirement they’re imposing” is nuts.

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Post by soulofmischief »

raincole wrote: post #216

The California law is actually the best form of age verification one can imagine. It only requires the OS to let the user to 'signal' their age. In other words, it's more like a checkbox asking if you're older than 18, instead of scanning your face or driving license. It doesn't require a cloud account either. Storing the ages the user inputted in /etc/ages besides /etc/passed and providing an API to read it is compl…

One day ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47364591

> Have you heard of the slippery slope? A cornerstone of American political philosophy?

> Arguments like this one are why the authoritarian ratchet continues to turn unimpeded over time.

Compelling any speech or written code is a violation of our rights as recognized by the first amendment of the United States Constitution.

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Post by akersten »

raincole wrote: post #216

The California law is actually the best form of age verification one can imagine. It only requires the OS to let the user to 'signal' their age. In other words, it's more like a checkbox asking if you're older than 18, instead of scanning your face or driving license. It doesn't require a cloud account either. Storing the ages the user inputted in /etc/ages besides /etc/passed and providing an API to read it is compl…

Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's right. Give legislative busybodies the ability to force this little flag into the OS because it's no big deal, and next year they'll say "hey, make sure you only report 18+ if secure boot is enabled" and 5 years later it'll be "hey, you can only report 18+ if one of our Identity Partners has confirmed it."

It's the principle of the matter. The State should not be allowed to compel speech (what code you write) in your open source project. It may sound stubborn but if we don't fight it now it will only grow little by "easy feature" little.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by akersten »

charcircuit wrote: post #113
akersten wrote: post #5

Now this is what open source development should look like. I cannot believe a few days ago I was thumbing through an email thread on freedesktop.org about how they could implement the mandatory government API in dbus. Can they not read their own domain name?

Associating open source with projects that brazenly violate the law is not what open source should look like.

Sorry, was I too punk rock on hacker news?

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Post by hobom »

Telemakhos wrote: post #97
nico wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And LATAM probably soon to follow, specially Argentina with Milei and now Chile with their new right wing president

I don't think this is a left- or right-wing issue: Australia was one of the first to ban kids from social media, and Australia is not right-wing by any measure. Canada is hardly right-wing, but age verification is bill S-210 in their parliament. What you're seeing is a coordinated push by transnational interests; Meta's name has come up in discussions of the funding behind this push. At the very lest, verifying age a…

Meta was strongly against the Australian social media ban.

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Post by ArchieScrivener »

throw7 wrote: post #156

"AB 1043 passed the California Assembly 76–0 and the Senate 38–0. Not a single legislator voted against it." Amazing. We the people are not engaged. It really feels like we're at the end of history or something.

We The People are simply no longer represented. Do the math on historic representation ratios and you'll quickly see the first consolidation (long before corporate or bureaucratic) was Representation. We are about 6500 Reps shy of an actual Democratic Republic.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by akersten »

neilv wrote: post #124
akersten wrote: post #11

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Debian's interests, whether they know it or not, is for the government not to be able to mandate what features must be present in their open source software. They should be happy to have such a vocal advocate involved in this important fight.

Scene. Ext. Town street. Night. Invader military vehicles patrolling, announcing curfew through loudspeakers. TEEN: *runs at invaders* Hey, you thugs! You can't make me obey! I support Bob, over there! *points at Bob's house* THUGS: Grrr! Thugs smash! BOB: Please! I have done nothing! I don't know who that teen is! JOE: You should be happy to have such a vocal advocate in this important fight. NARRATOR: Ironically, B…

Nice, but in this case the advocate is open and willing to take the heat himself, even encouraging it.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #244
matheusmoreira wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do. Using our consciences.

What if two people's consciences disagree?

Do it regardless. If you're right other people will realize that. If not, they won't.
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