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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by gfygfy »

terribleperson wrote: post #35
gfygfy wrote: post #30

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Then we don't use those services and then they die. The world isn't Instagram. There have been decentralized channels for literally decades.

I don't really want the free internet to be relegated to onion sites and a hypothetical mesh internet. As things stand, every service is going to either tightly control content or adopt age verification because the alternative is being taken down by governments.

Too bad, so sad. That's the entire reason onion exists. The public web is going to get increasing enshittified and you can either use Tor or get used to staying on Facebook with Grandma sharing cakes alongside 60 ads.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by Eji1700 »

pocksuppet wrote: post #27
simmerup wrote: post #25

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Why should that be our problem when we can just tell parents to parent?

There's a middle ground shockingly and I do think it's roughly why this all came up at once.

"Just parent" isn't easy in an age of large numbers of families having to both work and kids having a computer in their hands at all times.

The "please don't say you're 18 if you aren't" standard has NEVER applied for anything else flagged as adult. If you sell products or allow services to a minor without doing proper checks YOU are responsible as the company if it's found to negligent, to the point you can lose your license.

The thing is, you also don't fucking store every single ID you've ever looked at because that's insane, or if you do, you do it for very short periods of time. If a kid gets a fake ID, fine, that's on the kid so long as the company is doing their best.

It's why an "adult mode" local cred on the machine is probably reasonable? If the kid gets a fake cred, fine, that's on the parents, but at least sites can automatically look for the cred and if not provided just bounce.

As it is ALL the onus is on the family, and there's a fuckload of preying on children (especially economically) that's not supposed to be remotely legal that we've just kicked open the doors to because its "hard" to solve.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by uniq7 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #55
uniq7 wrote: post #49

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If the solution consists on me and my children sacrificing our privacy then I'm sorry, but I don't care about other people's children getting groomed. Your child, your responsibility, prepare him better for the world or throw the god damn phone to the trash, but please leave me alone. I had more sympathy for parents with this problem before, but not anymore. If they don't respect my rights, I don't see why I should c…

Other people’s kids aren’t your problem until they grow up and form a deeply unfit electorate and their country, representing less than 5% of the world population, makes an absolute mess of everything. Then they become everyone’s problem.

Today's electorate is unfit. Is it also because they had TikTok when they were children? Or are they unfit because they consumed fake-news and QAnon-like content as adults?

If it's the latter, how is age verification supposed to help here exactly?

Since you are asking me to give away my privacy under this promise, I'm interested in the details.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by alpaca128 »

pocksuppet wrote: post #26
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Different people observed the same problem at the same time, and came to similar conclusions about how to solve it.

Evidence says otherwise: https://web.archive.org/web/20260313125244/https://old.reddi...

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by lambda »

kykat wrote: post #38
pocksuppet wrote: post #28

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It's designed for parents to enact parental controls on their children. If you're root, you're the parent. Obviously root can turn off parental controls.

I wouldn't be so sure, I think the ultimate goal is to link your network activity to your government id, just like the way it's done in China. So the only root left is the government basically.

The whole point of the California/Colorado laws is to provide an alternative to that. The whole point is that it provides a privacy preserving way to provide a signal about whether someone is in a particular age bracket, without requiring any kind of third party ID verification.

I am so puzzled by everyone who objects so strongly to these operating system based opt in systems; all it does is provide for a way for a parent to indicate the age of a child's account, and an API for apps and browsers to get that information. If you're the owner/admin of a system, you get to set that information however you want, and it's required that it only provides ranges and not specific birthdays in order to be privacy preserving.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by Telemakhos »

nico wrote: post #46
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

And LATAM probably soon to follow, specially Argentina with Milei and now Chile with their new right wing president

I don't think this is a left- or right-wing issue: Australia was one of the first to ban kids from social media, and Australia is not right-wing by any measure. Canada is hardly right-wing, but age verification is bill S-210 in their parliament.

What you're seeing is a coordinated push by transnational interests; Meta's name has come up in discussions of the funding behind this push. At the very lest, verifying age also verifies that a person is real and not a bot, so advertising firms like Meta will benefit from verification. That's not right-wing or left-wing but rather the influence of business over the political, and neither wing of the spectrum is immune to corruption.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by sophrosyne42 »

nico wrote: post #46
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

And LATAM probably soon to follow, specially Argentina with Milei and now Chile with their new right wing president

Milei is a libertarian, and would be very opposed to such a thing.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by alpaca128 »

pocksuppet wrote: post #84
sophrosyne42 wrote: post #65

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We should not give these human rights violations the dignity of being called "solutions", especially as they are anything but.

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That is a very dishonest way of framing these laws. Parental control does not need violating the privacy of every computer user.

Also sharing the user's personal information does not prevent gambling or protect children, it does the opposite.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Post by mschuster91 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #82
nextos wrote: post #14

Something remarkable and unsettling is how the age verification debate has popped up almost simultaneously in the US, UK, and EU. With the same logical fallacies. Pretty telling about how transnational lobbies and their interests work. Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications.

Meta, a multi-national corporation, seems to be behind all of these. See: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_b... https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/1rsn1tm/it_a...

And the groundwork was laid by very well connected think-of-the-children evangelicals, transphobes and sex-work-phobes over years. Never forget this. Meta just added nitromethane fuel to a raging fire.
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