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That's a luxury you get when your society has reached a certain level of stability.
People's rights are not luxuries, but the purpose of government: "... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men ...". They are a necessity to achieve freedom and stability.
Human Rights Watch says drone strikes in Haiti have killed nearly 1,250 people
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#92Re: Human Rights Watch says drone strikes in Haiti have killed nearly 1,250 people
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The human brain is largely for decoration. It's job is to cool blood and absorb "vapors" from food. Aristotle got it right. It is not largely capable of "thinking" We are proactively destroying human society. And many people are rallying behind it VCs investing in killing machines. Citizen's largely don't care, they are largely passive. It sort of reminds me of Richard Feynman who claimed he was extremely depressed.…
Drones and atomic bombs have prevented more mass murder than they've been used for. The people doing the most to actually improve material conditions in the third world are constantly poo-pooed by people who profit off these places remaining impoverished. I think the NRxers are right here you need to go in there and crack skulls. Few will invest in long term skills if they aren't valuable. The simple fact: In these n…
humans have only had their hands on atomic bombs for 80 years. Its very hard to imagine it not being used in the next 1000 years.
Re: Human Rights Watch says drone strikes in Haiti have killed nearly 1,250 people
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That's a luxury you get when your society has reached a certain level of stability.
People's rights are not luxuries, but the purpose of government: "... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men ...". They are a necessity to achieve freedom and stability.
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If the other guys have child soldiers, you don't need child soldiers of your own to defeat them. If the other guys have an army of killer robots and you don't, you are going to die.
Do not succumb to "we have to win the race" reasoning and escalation, when the race is leading off a cliff. It is, in fact, possible to stop things via international cooperation. Treat it the way we do nuclear proliferation. (Efforts to stop nuclear proliferation have not been perfect , but they've been incredibly effective and made it much more difficult to make the problem worse than it already is.)
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They mean the 5% of 1250 killed by drones
We know what he meant, and he's being obtuse. Thinks thousands of deaths due to rampant crime somehow aren't or shouldn't be part of the discussion when the collateral cost of law enforcement efforts are discussed. Very dumb.
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That's a luxury you get when your society has reached a certain level of stability.
Everything is that way. Another example: Feminism? Only happened with women in the workforce. Women in the workforce? Only when the Industrial Revolution happened and the economy could support the roles. Industrial Revolution? Only happened when farming and trading got good enough that 90% of the population didn’t need to be farmers first. Very few moral enlightenments have ever actually happened absent economic prec…
That is not how it was. First, women were actually working and producing the whole time - but with much more limited options. It is not like they would twiddle thumbs bored prior industrial revolution.
And second, the politically succesfull feminism happened mostly with women who were middle class, not allowed to work and wanted more ambitious jobs.
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If you can't handle additional context being brought to the conversation, maybe its best for you to duck out.
So much projection here from RWers, as usual. I will bow out of this, due to the massive levels of intellectual dishonesty and bad faith.
Get a grip.
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People's rights are not luxuries, but the purpose of government: "... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men ...". They are a necessity to achieve freedom and stability.
Are you at all aware of the hellscape that is Haiti...?
The anti-freedom crowd always finds an excuse to disregard others' rights, liberty, and welfare, to impose what they want to do on others. They do it in the US too.
Plenty of places like Haiti just put civilians in the battleground between two equal and equally bad sides, the military and the insurgents. Both sides give the same excuse why they maim and murder civilians, which doesn't begin to address the damage to property and welfare.
In Iraq, for example, the US finally stabilized things when they adopted an effective and acceptable anti-insurgent strategy (led by David Petraeus): Protect the population.
Re: Human Rights Watch says drone strikes in Haiti have killed nearly 1,250 people
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
They mean the 5% of 1250 killed by drones
We know what he meant, and he's being obtuse. Thinks thousands of deaths due to rampant crime somehow aren't or shouldn't be part of the discussion when the collateral cost of law enforcement efforts are discussed. Very dumb.