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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by JoshTriplett »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #41
Chance-Device wrote: post #7

TLDR: Meta want to push all the age verification requirements onto the OS makers (Apple, Google, everyone else gets caught in the crossfire) so that they don’t have to do anything AND they want it done in such a way that they can use it to profile people to push them targeted ads. Its like they want to keep being seen as the bad guys.

I want age verification but not at the OS level.

> I want age verification

Please feel free to verify your own age with anyone you like. If you mean "I want other people to", then no.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by array_key_first »

jancsika wrote: post #410
pessimizer wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only way to stop this from happening is half the country refuse to buy any tech that implements OS age verification. You have consumer activist brain. Next you're going to suggest that we complain to the manager or start our own government and compete in the marketplace. > The only thing that talks is money No, the only thing that is talking is money. Money wants this. You're busy pretending like you're going t…

Give your interlocutor an explicit alternative to consumer activism! Just because you're a pessimist doesn't mean you have to be coy. :)

Protesting, voting, and civil disobedience.

At the end of the day, this stuff is headed by humans. Humans are fragile, weak even. They like silly things like food and safety.

Look, I'm not saying we need to be killing people. However, I AM saying that just about every single significant rights progression in human history was achieved that way. So, draw whatever conclusions you want.

Ideally, we are above that. Christ, it's not the 20th century anymore. So hold up a sign or something.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by array_key_first »

eigencoder wrote: post #234
ExpertAdvisor01 wrote: post #131

I don't understand it . There are so many ways to child-proof a device . Google Family Link and the Apple equivalent . Use cloudflares Family dns (blocks porn websites etc ..) Instead of just creating a course that explains how to child-proof a device, we have to surveil everyone.

Do you have a child? Because I think the device makers haven't really done a good job, there are just too many workarounds.

Solution: don't give your kids the device. Put up a computer in the family room like it's 1998. Perfect, now little Timmy can do his homework. And if he looks up "boobies", he won't be able to sneak it past you!

The best part? This is cheaper and easier. You're literally doing less. Locking down a smartphone is hard? Great, so don't do that. Problem solved, you're welcome, I'll send you my invoice.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by cindyllm »

array_key_first wrote: post #443
eigencoder wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a child? Because I think the device makers haven't really done a good job, there are just too many workarounds.

Solution: don't give your kids the device. Put up a computer in the family room like it's 1998. Perfect, now little Timmy can do his homework. And if he looks up "boobies", he won't be able to sneak it past you! The best part? This is cheaper and easier. You're literally doing less. Locking down a smartphone is hard? Great, so don't do that. Problem solved, you're welcome, I'll send you my invoice.

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by rockskon »

bitpush wrote: post #428
d--b wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That law is perhaps an annoyance for Apple, but it can't cost them billions, can it? I seriously doubt that it would cost Apple more than the several hundred million dollars Meta still needs to funnel in order to get those laws passed in more states. Plus, Apple gets to be the gatekeeper for Meta and other apps which can't be good for meta, and Apple gets to know the age of its users, which in itself is monetizable.

> That law is perhaps an annoyance for Apple, but it can't cost them billions, can it? The CEO has 24h in the day, and he/she is asked to be deposed (laws and legal system has that power), it chips away from grand visions. It isnt just money, you cant just stand up a team and be done with it. Everybody will be coming at you. Expect to see a lot "Y alleges Apple didnt do enough to protect kids" and the burden of proof…

An offensive against Facebook is in order, then. If they're pushing war, then they shouldn't be surprised when they're targeted in turn.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by zahlman »

throwaway-blaze wrote: post #435
radicalbyte wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the US, all you have to do is drive a truckload of cash into Mar-A-Lago and you'll get whatever you want.

Arabella Advisors is about the farthest thing from MAGA you can imagine.

Sorry, who are they, and what is ATT in this context?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by infotainment »

jgord wrote: post #440

Did Meta spend around 60Mn lobbying for age verification to be forcibly added to every OS install ? If not, who has been paying to lobby for these age verification laws ? That seems a question that we should have an answer to. Forcing an age check upon linux install seems anti-competitive, and a violation of freedom of speech allowed by the Constitution. Also impractical and ineffective, unless they plan on some sort…

> Did Meta spend around 60Mn lobbying for age verification to be forcibly added to every OS install ?

Of course they would want this -- as long as the OS reports that the user is over 18 via such a system, then Meta is legally off the hook for any COPPA violations.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by _2d30 »

jgord wrote: post #440

Did Meta spend around 60Mn lobbying for age verification to be forcibly added to every OS install ? If not, who has been paying to lobby for these age verification laws ? That seems a question that we should have an answer to. Forcing an age check upon linux install seems anti-competitive, and a violation of freedom of speech allowed by the Constitution. Also impractical and ineffective, unless they plan on some sort…

> As with the insane "encryption is a weapon and cant be exported" policy of the 80s, this will surely force innovation to migrate outside the US.

Not advocating for this policy but if a critical argument against it is that policymakers can expect an analogous amount of computer innovation migrating out of the US as it saw in the 80s, then I think policymakers won't care remotely. Quite literally I think the lower bound for the proportion of global computer innovation happening in the US is 70%.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

jgord wrote: post #440

Did Meta spend around 60Mn lobbying for age verification to be forcibly added to every OS install ? If not, who has been paying to lobby for these age verification laws ? That seems a question that we should have an answer to. Forcing an age check upon linux install seems anti-competitive, and a violation of freedom of speech allowed by the Constitution. Also impractical and ineffective, unless they plan on some sort…

I honestly wouldn't be surprised. They are absolutely negative player. But I'm kinda confused how this could even pass and what is the functional reason for this? Because "think about the children" it absolutely isn't. You can of course chain child to the radiator and let him out but that's obviously not an protection.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Post by bryan_w »

triceratops wrote: post #245

Bravo, some actual journalism! I wish a professional media organization had done this research. It seemed obvious this was a coordinated wave but I always figured it was moral busybodies. EDIT: why is it deleted now?

Oh no, you fell for it.
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