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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by vessenes »

zeroCalories wrote: post #153
Imnimo wrote: post #125

I think the problem for xAI is that it can really only hire two types of researchers - people who are philosophically aligned with Elon, and people who are solely money-motivated (not a judgment). But frontier AI research is a field with a lot of top talent who have strong philosophical motivation for their work, and those philosophies are often completely at odds with Elon. OpenAI and Anthropic have philosophical ni…

It's worse than that. Elon is a notoriously bad employer, and the only people that put up with him were the people that shared his vision. Pretty much the only people that will work for him now are second rate researchers and people that think gooner AI and racism is a worthwhile mission.

There's some texture here. Elon's enriched pretty much everybody who's ever worked for and invested with him. He makes money for people throughout his orgs. Many ex-employees have said to me: "incredible opportunity, made great money, worked insanely hard, once is plenty".

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by thaumasiotes »

enaaem wrote: post #89
wolvoleo wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair I think there's a good usecase there. Someone's gonna do it. People will want it. American financial institutions are too prudish for it but money is money. And personally I think there's nothing morally wrong with it (of course within normal restrictions like 18+, consent of portrayed parties etc) xAI is getting flak in Europe because they don't obey consent and age, not because it's porn. Personally I pr…

The problem is you can undress real people and that is extremely harmful and dangerous. One kid took his life after an ai sextortian scam [1]. Imagine the damage cyberbullies, scammers and stalkers can do? [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sextortion-generative-ai-scam-e...

> The problem is you can undress real people and that is extremely harmful and dangerous.

But... that's not something you can do. It's impossible.

You can imagine what real people look like naked. That's not a new thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7FCgw_GlWc

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by XorNot »

Marazan wrote: post #176

Wow, bit weird that Musk, who must have known about how badly xAI was doing, spent so much of his investors money buying out xAI. What an enormous blunder.

It's how he hides losses though. People who aren't Musk can demand answers to questions he'd like to ignore.

As it is within the Musk empire, xAI is used to hold up X, Tesla is holding up xAI. And all of that debt is being slowly shuffled to SpaceX.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by gkfasdfasdf »

The grok button on twitter is pretty awesome. Instantly summarize / explain any tweet, even memes, including replies. Ask follow up questions. Not sure many people know it's there.

Also grok in the Tesla is fun, get answers to questions without looking at a phone. I once had it search up a blog post and read it out to me while driving. The NSFW mode is pretty...disgusting so I leave that off.

I hope they find a way with Optimus or something. FSD is incredible. More competition is a good thing.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by kybernetikos »

Marazan wrote: post #173
repple wrote: post #167

Their goal of moving compute to space combined with their capacity to launch tons of payload will make this look like a tiny blip.

What is the benefit of "moving compute to space"?

It's hard for an uprising of poor people to shut it off. It's the ideal place to run your CEO / President simulations.

I say this tongue in cheek, but in all seriousness, I can't really think of any other benefit, and I no longer have a lot of faith in the good sense of some of the people involved.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by dlivingston »

LightBug1 wrote: post #91
heraldgeezer wrote: post #25

I do use Grok as a chatbot sometimes. Very good for sourcing X and general web search. Not as "prude" as the others too.

Prude? I've played with all the main AI players for the last 2'ish years. I've never once thought: you know what? that was a bit prudish. Genuinely morbidly curious. What use case do you have where you end up making that conclusion?

An earlier version of Sonnet (not sure which one; ~1 yr ago) refused to give me instructions on taking the life of another when I asked something like - "how do I kill a running process by name?"

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by jamespo »

vessenes wrote: post #191
zeroCalories wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worse than that. Elon is a notoriously bad employer, and the only people that put up with him were the people that shared his vision. Pretty much the only people that will work for him now are second rate researchers and people that think gooner AI and racism is a worthwhile mission.

There's some texture here. Elon's enriched pretty much everybody who's ever worked for and invested with him. He makes money for people throughout his orgs. Many ex-employees have said to me: "incredible opportunity, made great money, worked insanely hard, once is plenty".

There's probably a lot of survivor bias going on there

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

vessenes wrote: post #191
zeroCalories wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worse than that. Elon is a notoriously bad employer, and the only people that put up with him were the people that shared his vision. Pretty much the only people that will work for him now are second rate researchers and people that think gooner AI and racism is a worthwhile mission.

There's some texture here. Elon's enriched pretty much everybody who's ever worked for and invested with him. He makes money for people throughout his orgs. Many ex-employees have said to me: "incredible opportunity, made great money, worked insanely hard, once is plenty".

Ask the people at Twitter..
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