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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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I couldn't find a working archive link for the ft.com article - anyone? Since it's the original source I've left it up, but added other URLs to the toptext.

I sent it to archive.ph here: https://archive.ph/rP4cb and it has the content but the formatting is atrocious. HTH.

Better than nothing - added above. Thanks!

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is re-building a company that he himself built less than 3 years ago?

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You've been a good HN user for many years, but lately your comment history has swerved towards ideological battle generally, and unsubstantive flamebait like this post. Can you please swerve back? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: before someone pounces, no, I'm in no way defending either E. Just trying to hold up HN.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

It’s pretty telling that Elon had to have Grok rewrite Wikipedia because the truth was too woke for him. No idea how anybody can ever take Grok seriously.

Probably next generations of kids being fed PragerU studying material will. Something tells me we didn't see a fraction of what's going to happen in the decades to come.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

> but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset.

It's going to be a mixed batch, but any time there's world events, since as far back as I can think, Twitter (now X) was always first in breaking news. There's plenty of people and news orgs still on X because they need to be for the audience.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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It's surprising that AI coding agents have network effects but it's true. Think about it from first principles & you'll realize that the bottleneck is how many people are using it to write real code & providing both implicit (compiler errors, test failures, crash logs, etc) & direct ("did not properly follow instructions", "deleted main databases", "didn't properly use a tool", etc) feedback. No one is using xAI for serious software engineering so that leaves OpenAI, Anthropic, & Google w/ enough scale to benefit from network effects. No one has real AI but what they do have is the appearance of intelligence from crowdsourced feedback & filtering. This means companies that are already in the lead will continue to stay there & xAI started way too late so they will continue to lose in every domain that actually matters & benefits from network effects.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

tbh I wouldn't give Elon a dime even if Grok was miles better than competition.

Ok, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

Is it?

Elon's persona caused massive drops in usage of twitter, sales of Tesla, etc.

Unsurprisingly many would not touch grok for the same distrust.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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post #8

Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

Twitter's communication style being based around brevity, slang, memes, spam and non-threaded conversations seems particularly unlikely to be helpful for optimising LLMs

>Twitter's communication style being based around brevity

Is this still true? Every once in a while someone sends a link around to some madman explaining how race or economics or whatever "really" works and it's like a full dissertation with headings, footnotes, clip art. They're halfway to reinventing Grok-o-pedia right there in Twitter. I mean X. I was promised that "X gonna give it to you" but it turns out "it" is some form of brain chlymidia.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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post #8

Feel like the canary was when Grokpedia became a project. Giant waste of time while Anthropic/OAI keep surging forward. I also keep hearing this narrative that Twitter is a good data source, but I cannot imagine it's a valuable dataset. Sure keeping up with realtime topics can be useful, but I am not sure how much of a product that is.

It’s pretty telling that Elon had to have Grok rewrite Wikipedia because the truth was too woke for him. No idea how anybody can ever take Grok seriously.

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Not even Elon believes that Cursor is worth $50B or even $29B.

How can cursor be worth more than a few billion? Claude/Codex are already better autonomous SWE-lite replacements. Cognition surely has a better internal harness. Cursor does have a lot of users, I'll give it that.

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