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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Nobody stops the government from sending goons to your door right now for a snarky comment. Some govts in fact do it today. It is also cheaper than ai rocket and more precise too

Goons don't scale well. Wide-scale intimidation does.

Its called police. And they scale extraordinarily well.

And turns out power-tripping men offered raw power over other humans on threat of violence is something they like.

And ICE? Remember J6 and Three Percenter's and all those right wing militias? They ended up in ICE. Same reasons.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Bravo, some actual journalism! I wish a professional media organization had done this research. It seemed obvious this was a coordinated wave but I always figured it was moral busybodies. EDIT: why is it deleted now?

that goes against the goals of the professional media organizations.

Keep being cynical and that's the media you'll get.

In the real world, professional media organizations regularly expose corruption. More often than not? No idea. But to pretend they only engage in cover-ups is cynical fatalism.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Cost kind of stops the government from sending goons right now, sure some governments do it but, it's costly at scale.

Missiles are a lot more expensive and much less reusable than goons though. If the nation state can’t afford the goons, it can’t afford to missile you either

With the digital panopticon neither goons nor missles are really necessary. Opressive forces can just disable your spending and travel credits. If they need you dead or in custody they can just grab you the next time you pop up on camera near one of their agents.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Because they want market share, and throwing a hissyfit over being asked to add an "I am over 18" checkbox is not good PR. If Debian starts refusing to work in California because it doesn't want to add a checkbox, it will simply be replaced by someone who adds that checkbox and doesn't throw the fit.

As the article says, it's not about just checking a box: "Every OS provider must then: provide an interface at account setup collecting a birth date or age, and expose a real-time API that broadcasts the user's age bracket (under 13, 13 to 15, 16 to 17, 18+) to any application running on the system."

Fine, a drop-down menu, not a checkbox. They're throwing a hissy fit over a drop-down menu with 4 items.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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> Having said that, open-source zero-knowledge proofs are infinitely less evil (I refuse to say "better") than commercial cloud-based age monitoring baked into every OS To be honest, I worry that the framing of this legislation and ZKP generally presents a false dichotomy, where second-option bias[1] prevails because of the draconian first option. There's always another option: don't implement age verification laws a…

The concern is ubiquitous all-pervasive surveillance, control, and manipulation of algorithmical social media and its objective consequences for child development and well-being. Not "kids reading a bad word". Disagree all you want, but don't twist the premise. Surely you can find a rationalwiki article for your fallacy too.

You mean the same social media companies that want this legislation and wrote it themselves? The same legislation that introduces more surveillance and tracking for everyone, including kids?

Also, I heard the same thing about video games, TV shows, D&D, texting and even youth novels. It's yet another moral panic.

From the Guardian[1]:

> Social media time does not increase teenagers’ mental health problems – study

> Research finds no evidence heavier social media use or more gaming increases symptoms of anxiety or depression

> Screen time spent gaming or on social media does not cause mental health problems in teenagers, according to a large-scale study.

> With ministers in the UK considering whether to follow Australia’s example by banning social media use for under-16s, the findings challenge concerns that long periods spent gaming or scrolling TikTok or Instagram are driving an increase in teenagers’ depression, anxiety and other mental health conditions.

> Researchers at the University of Manchester followed 25,000 11- to 14-year-olds over three school years, tracking their self-reported social media habits, gaming frequency and emotional difficulties to find out whether technology use genuinely predicted later mental health difficulties.

From Nature[2]:

> Time spent on social media among the least influential factors in adolescent mental health

From the Atlantic[3] with citations in the article:

> The Panic Over Smartphones Doesn’t Help Teens, It may only make things worse.

> I am a developmental psychologist[4], and for the past 20 years, I have worked to identify how children develop mental illnesses. Since 2008, I have studied 10-to-15-year-olds using their mobile phones, with the goal of testing how a wide range of their daily experiences, including their digital-technology use, influences their mental health. My colleagues and I have repeatedly failed to find[5] compelling support for the claim that digital-technology use is a major contributor to adolescent depression and other mental-health symptoms.

> Many other researchers have found the same[6]. In fact, a recent[6] study and a review of research[7] on social media and depression concluded that social media is one of the least influential factors in predicting adolescents’ mental health. The most influential factors include a family history of mental disorder; early exposure to adversity, such as violence and discrimination; and school- and family-related stressors, among others. At the end of last year, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine released a report[8] concluding, “Available research that links social media to health shows small effects and weak associations, which may be influenced by a combination of good and bad experiences. Contrary to the current cultural narrative that social media is universally harmful to adolescents, the reality is more complicated.”

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jan/14/social-media-t...

[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s44220-023-00063-7

[3] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/05/candi...

[4] https://adaptlab.org/

[5] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31929951/

[6] https://www.nature.com/articles/s44220-023-00063-7#:~:text=G...

[7] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32734903/

[8] https://nap.nationalacademies.org/resource/27396/Highlights_...

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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>it create difficulty for undocumented people to access the web Why is this such a sticking point in US politics? If the "undocumented" people aren't supposed to be in the country in the first place, why should rest of society cater to them? Even if you're against age verification for other reasons, dragging in the immigration angle is just going to alienate the other half of the population who don't share your view…

There are many ways to not have a state or national ID document in the USA. You might simply not have a driver license or passport. That's totally legal. You might be in the country temporarily for business or as a tourist. The constitution applies to all of these people.

>There are many ways to not have a state or national ID document in the USA. You might simply not have a driver license or passport. That's totally legal.

Great, frame it as "poor people without IDs" or whatever, not "undocumented", which in the current political discourse is basically the left's version of the term "illegal immigrant".

>You might be in the country temporarily for business or as a tourist. The constitution applies to all of these people.

The constitutional right to... watch 18+ videos on youtube while in the US?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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post #235

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Goons don't scale well. Wide-scale intimidation does.

Its called police. And they scale extraordinarily well. And turns out power-tripping men offered raw power over other humans on threat of violence is something they like. And ICE? Remember J6 and Three Percenter's and all those right wing militias? They ended up in ICE. Same reasons.

A very bold claim I have heard repeatedly, backed up with zero evidence. Care to share any proof you have found?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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post #233

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Cost kind of stops the government from sending goons right now, sure some governments do it but, it's costly at scale.

Missiles are a lot more expensive and much less reusable than goons though. If the nation state can’t afford the goons, it can’t afford to missile you either

Reaper drones will be the more cost effective way to eradicate amalek.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#260

Bravo, some actual journalism! I wish a professional media organization had done this research. It seemed obvious this was a coordinated wave but I always figured it was moral busybodies. EDIT: why is it deleted now?

The wayback machine got it: https://web.archive.org/web/20260313090844/https://www.reddi...
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