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Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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For a project attempting to track these and coordinate technical resistance, see: https://github.com/AntiSurv/oss-anti-surveillance These bills also need to be opposed on a legal/political level. Something I realized last night is that people who lie about their age to send false signals may inadvertently open themselves up to CFAA liability (a felony ). So this is a serious matter for users who want to maintain anon…

I believe CFAA talks about exceeding authorization, not just typing in things that are not true.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Every single Linux kernel currently operating within the borders of any of these states should turn itself off and refuse to boot until an update is installed after these bills are rolled back. We should also update all FOSS license terms to explicitly exclude Meta or any affilites from using any software licensed under them.

I probably don't have all the info on the various laws across the US and EU that are being pushed, but I'm confused why Linux distros don't just update their licensing and add a notice on the installation screen that it is illegal to run their OS in places where these laws exist? Heck, Linus Torvalds should just add an amendment to the next release of the Linux Kernel that makes it illegal to use in any jurisdiction…

Because they want market share, and throwing a hissyfit over being asked to add an "I am over 18" checkbox is not good PR. If Debian starts refusing to work in California because it doesn't want to add a checkbox, it will simply be replaced by someone who adds that checkbox and doesn't throw the fit.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Yes! This is the way, give parents the ABILITY to advertise the users age to browsers, apps and everything in between. Only target cooperations, do not target open source projects. Fine websites for not using this API (ex: porn sites). Assume an adult if not present.

No. This is not the way. > give parents the ABILITY to advertise the users age to browsers, apps and everything in between. Accounts and Applications to services that provide countent are set to a country-specific age rating restrictions (PG, 12+, 18+, whatever). That's it. None of the things you mentioned have any point to concern themself with the age or age-bracket of the user in front of the device. This can and…

That is what I meant by age(-rating), you are correct. However, drop country specifics - too complicated. Age brackets are enough: child, preteen, teen, adult. At around 16-17 these should be dropped anyway since at that point people are smart enough to get around these measures anyway and usually have non-parent controlled devices.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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TLDR: Meta want to push all the age verification requirements onto the OS makers (Apple, Google, everyone else gets caught in the crossfire) so that they don’t have to do anything AND they want it done in such a way that they can use it to profile people to push them targeted ads. Its like they want to keep being seen as the bad guys.

I want age verification but not at the OS level.

What would a world with your preferred age verification system look like?

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Oh, that's a different topic: as someone from and living in eastern Europe, there's not a single doubt in my mind that the biggest threat to any civilization is russia by a long shot. The alarming part is that the current US administration hasn't got a single clue of history, suffers from chronic incompetence and the whole superiority complex and fanboying russia as a consequence - those pose a threat. In the context…

>biggest threat to any civilization is russia by a long shot I don't mean to be the average gloating US citizen, but I'm pretty sure we're the largest threat to the Earth.

Only because of Russian money and influence that helped this administration to power.

The root of the problem is Russia, always has been.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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When the government decides not to issue certificates to websites they don't like.

Oh, stop. Tinfoil-hatting like this is how privacy and internet freedom activism gets a bad rap. QWAC certs are only for "high value" sites: banks, government services, etc. They can only be issued by "Qualified Trust Service Providers" (e.g. digisign, D-TRUST, etc -- not governments), and cost many hundreds of euros. Your blog and mastodon instance and 98% of businesses just aren't affected. People operating in "hig…

It's not really tinfoil hatting, EU countries already deny privileges based on political affiliation and so on. Germany shut down a Muslim cultural center for refusing to censor a speech by someone who came from Gaza, merely because of the fact they came from Gaza. Limiting government power is still something the EU needs - they're not all good.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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O great more big money warping our lives for the worse. I’d write my senator but they won’t do shit. Is there anything that can seriously be done?

Do your homework, vote, and help inform other people so they vote too.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

#108

America will just get behind even more as years pass behind Europe in terms of proper regulation of the digital economy, which benefits citizens instead of companies and rich billionaries. The reason is that europeans have nothing to win from those "winner-take-all" platforms the US has built in the past decades. Europe has built zero of them. It contributes very little to Europe's GDP or the overall being of the eur…

It is interesting isn't it? Most of Europe has better internet access than the US for similar reasons: sensible regulation led to high competition.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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Oh look, the Heritage Foundation, the ones who wrote up the "Project 2025" agenda for most of the corruption and authoritarianism that has plagued America in the last year. The very last people you should trust when it comes to "protecting the children."

To me it feels that the age verfication (adult de-anonymisation) push, at least in Europe, is coming more from the increasingly-authoritarian left as a reaction to the rise of the online right and Musk's Twitter. (Maybe some unspoken element of concern over social media bots, too - as they evolve from spamming copy+pasted comments to being near-indistinguisable from actual human accounts?)

If you look at the people pushing these bills it's the anti-trans and anti-porn activists. Not the left.

Re: Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act

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The same sort of thing is happening for the 3d printer laws. Some company is trying to legislate its own software into ubiquity (guns first, then copyright enforcement) and then double-dip by charging both IP holders and printer manufacturers for their "services".

This was the thing the saws-all (or whatever it was called, the brake that stops you from cutting your fingers off with the table saw) tried, right? I don't know if it succeeded but the idea was a government mandate for an otherwise good idea. Everyone then pays more.
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