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Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Asia rolled it out? Wow, imagine the coordination that took to get all of those disparate countries (like, 48 or 49 countries make up Asia) on board with a 4 day work week... and so quickly, too! My homeowners association can't pull off a neighborhood playground cleanup without conflict, disorder and confusion even with 6 months of planning so again, kudos to the 48+ countries of Asia for coming together in this herc…

This is what happens when someone doesn't read the fine article.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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> develop new technology, research culture solutions. The technology and culture solutions have existed and been evolving for 20 years. It really sounds like your experience with remote work is not representative.

Given basically 100% of companies ended remote work, its probably the majority experience.

Almost 100% of companies are stupid and make bad, bad software that their customer's begrudgingly put up with, so I'm not surprised.

Seriously, how much software have you used that was genuinely good? For me, almost none. All the software I use, I tolerate.

Look, companies are made up of people and have all the downsides of humanity. That means the people making the decisions are egotistical, emotionally-driven, irrational, and a bit narcissistic. They still do okay enough, and that's all they need to achieve.

If you want my perspective, I think WFH ended just because executives did not like it. That's it. They didn't like how much autonomy it gave their workers, it didn't feel fair to them, so they said no, because they can. All the other analysis is mostly bullshit.

I mean, Jesus Christ, do you think my company makes just about any decisions because of data or economics? No! That's not to say they don't have data behind it. Of course they do, it's just very obviously bullshit. Everyone knows what's going on. People want things done a certain way, so they do that and then just make up a justification later to tell their dumbass investors who couldn't tell a hole in the ground from their asshole. Nobody has the balls or humility to say "look, I just want it this way". So, everyone has to lie and make up numbers and reasoning.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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I'm the manager. They do not send that message. They either are trying and never giving up, or... doing dishes. I check in, and it ends up being story time about non-issues. In person, its a 'hows it going?' and they say either 'good, still working' or 'stuck...'. I would love if WFH was as effective. I could reduce my labor costs and probably have happier workers.

You're getting a lot of replies from other ICs that do well in a WFH setting, but I can say from a manager perspective, it's not always the manager or process. I've been managing remote teams for years since before covid and some people just don't do well without the in-person structure. It's possible to build a high performing remote team, but it's not easy.

> some people just don't do well without the in-person structure

Structure is what makes remote work well. IME places that rely on everyone being together in-person to make sure things get done have poorly-defined structure.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Given basically 100% of companies ended remote work, its probably the majority experience.

Almost 100% of companies are stupid and make bad, bad software that their customer's begrudgingly put up with, so I'm not surprised. Seriously, how much software have you used that was genuinely good? For me, almost none. All the software I use, I tolerate. Look, companies are made up of people and have all the downsides of humanity. That means the people making the decisions are egotistical, emotionally-driven, irra…

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Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Can't expect Western media to write well. I saw a funnt reel today. It's Italy to Americans but Eye-ran and Eye-raq...

I didn't think of it in time to update my previous comment, so I'll add another! Decades ago, I knew people who pronounced "Italian" as eye-TAL-yun. They were usually older, sometimes WW2 veterans. This was in an area of the US that has a large Italian immigrant population, FWIW. I don't know if it was due to historical disrespect of Mussolini-era Italy, some contemporary xenophobia, or just simple ignorance. They al…

This is hilarious. I don't think this is xenophobia. Otherwise why is Idaho called eyedaho? Maybe its a regional thing or just ignorance.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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Honestly I think the dirty secret is most peoples work output, especially in white collar work, is not linear. I'm willing to bet if you are even able to quantify your output (I don't believe most people can do that unless they are merely a fungible cog in some production process), you'd get the same exact amount of work done in a year working 4 10s or 4 8s or 4 5s I'd even bet. Think of the classic case of the deadl…

You just discovered Amazon and startup work culture, work at a frantic pace! But why work frantically for 4 days instead of 5?

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Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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If there would be enough demand to pay for it, it would stay open longer.

Libraries aren't paid for that demand though

The libraries in my city get paid by membership. That's not exactly visits, but a correlated proxy.

Also if it would become really crowded they would probably think of prolonging opening hours.

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The Ural mountains, the Black Sea and the Bosporus aren't sensical physical boundaries?

Sensible boundaries for dividing continents? Do the Rocky Mountains count as dividing North America into east and west subcontinents? Does the Baltic Sea partition the Nordic countries into their own continent? Are you really expecting that logic to work even a little bit?

> Do the Rocky Mountains count as dividing North America into east and west subcontinents?

The east part would be a bit small, but after a bit more seismic activity that may be sensible.

> Does the Baltic Sea partition the Nordic countries into their own continent?

Could be a subcontinent border yeah, it is a common division in Europe.

> Are you really expecting that logic to work even a little bit?

Yeah, there are multiple aspects of continents and topology is one part. Others are cultural and political and I think there the division is even more clear.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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> The EU can pass laws that each European country... Each EU member state, the UK, Switzerland and Russia don't really get involved

Those countries may also ratify EU laws if they wish. I think the UK has something similar to GDPR and Switzerland also picks and chooses which laws it thinks make sense.

No, they don't. The UK was a member of the EU when GDPR was passed, and chose to adopt it as law. When it left the EU it didn't repeal it.

They may both decide to copy, or imitate laws similar to the ones the the EU has, but they can't 'ratify' them.

Re: Asian governments roll out 4-day weeks, WFH to solve fuel crisis caused by war

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I've long said that WFH is an easy win climate change solution that costs nothing, is well loved by everyone who participates (except management). Turns out in times like this, it's also an energy security measure.

> costs nothing

1. for other businesses and jobs though, people staying at home costs a lot. one can call it a polarizing option.

2. these kind of jobs are likely prime candidates for AI already.

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