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NASA's DART spacecraft changed an asteroid's orbit around the sun

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Re: NASA's DART spacecraft changed an asteroid's orbit around the sun

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Wow, that's the first step! However, the most efficient method would be actually land (I know - maybe even impossible?) on it, and use propellers to change its trajectory. We don't have too much throwaway high-tech to crash it on asteroids...

Impact is actually a more efficient method, as it avoids the fuel consumption required for deceleration and soft landings.

Re: NASA's DART spacecraft changed an asteroid's orbit around the sun

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Wild that we went from "can we even deflect an asteroid" to measurably changing a solar orbit. 150 milliseconds sounds tiny until you realize compounding over decades makes that a meaningful trajectory shift. The engineering confidence this gives for actual planetary defense is massive.

Re: NASA's DART spacecraft changed an asteroid's orbit around the sun

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That's how rockets work.

Yeah, I sort of meant in the context of an object losing its mass, it's seldom used on earth as the effects are small but on the timescale/distance/speeds of an asteroid it could have noticeable effects. Rockets are using mass loss but there's more going on with the rapidly expanding gas causing the increased impulse.

Rockets are able to optimize due to dealing with a gas. It's still just pushing off of a disconnected mass. You go one way the lost mass goes the other.

If you think about it that's how a cannon works. The projectile gets pushed forwards and the barrel gets pushed in the opposite direction. Some of the larger ones can push their launcher back quite a bit more than you might expect.

My point is that this is actually a common failure of intuition. We tend to think of larger objects on earth as fixed and in our day to day life on dry land they often are (at least more or less) due to static friction.

A slightly more interesting observation (I think) is that if the bodies don't achieve escape velocity relative to one another then the forces all cancel out in the end. It just might take an arbitrarily long time in the case of similarly sized masses.

Re: NASA's DART spacecraft changed an asteroid's orbit around the sun

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I'm not sure this is actually a necessary explanation...but while propellers technically COULD function in space (not a perfect vacuum, right?)...they're basically going to be useless.

He probably misuses "propeller" which is strangely restrictive to "rotative blade propulsion" in English whereas "to propel" is generic in its meaning.

Be careful about how you store those inflammable propellers.

Re: NASA's DART spacecraft changed an asteroid's orbit around the sun

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He probably misuses "propeller" which is strangely restrictive to "rotative blade propulsion" in English whereas "to propel" is generic in its meaning.

Be careful about how you store those inflammable propellers.

Inflammable made me so angry as a child/teen when I found out. I read it in our encyclopedia set but we didn't have a dictionary, and this was pre-internet.

It was in the context of hydrogen and I could have sworn it was flammable. But here is this encyclopedia telling me it's INflammable. It's... not flammable? Looked it up in the school library.

Thank you, that memory came up from the depths of time. Probably haven't thought about that in 30 years. Funny how we sometimes just didn't know stuff, and couldn't find out back then.

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