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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#841

This seems fine as a short-term solution, but human-only is no good as a long-term rule. The AIs will soon surpass human capability. Even in the present, I think some AI comments are already decent quality. It's just most of them aren't high quality yet . And I'm worried banning AIs altogether will eventually lead to some form of prove-you-are-human verification to use the site, which will reduce anonymity. Even some…

I don’t care to read a comment that nobody put their time in.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#842

For quite a while, I like use LLM to refine and fix my grammar issue, but my colleagues and professors reminds me that it was way too obvious. They said they can tolerate some mistakes in my words, but no tolerance for AI generated content.

If it was obvious, then it was doing much more then just fixing your grammar.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#843

This seems fine as a short-term solution, but human-only is no good as a long-term rule. The AIs will soon surpass human capability. Even in the present, I think some AI comments are already decent quality. It's just most of them aren't high quality yet . And I'm worried banning AIs altogether will eventually lead to some form of prove-you-are-human verification to use the site, which will reduce anonymity. Even some…

"prove you are human verification" as in something like Sam Altman-backed World and The Orb [1]? Or maybe even the bead [2] (backed by me)

1: https://world.org/orb

2: https://thebead.pixlw.com/

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#844

For quite a while, I like use LLM to refine and fix my grammar issue, but my colleagues and professors reminds me that it was way too obvious. They said they can tolerate some mistakes in my words, but no tolerance for AI generated content.

> ... in experiments in which all outer sensation is withdrawn, the subject begins a furious fill-in or completion of senses that is sheer hallucination. So the hotting-up of one sense tends to effect hypnosis, and the cooling of all senses tends to result in hallucination.

Must quote the last paragraph of Chapter 2: "Hot and Cold media", from Marshall McLuhan's Understanding Media, which I've double-underlined.

For it simultaneously explains to me; TikTok (quick consume-scroll-like-react-"create" dopamine hit cycles) and LLMs (outsourcing the essential mechanical friction of thinking (which requires all senses, for me at least))...

The essential friction of deliberate, first-party speech-making---misspellings and all---is why voice and conversation contains life.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#846

This seems fine as a short-term solution, but human-only is no good as a long-term rule. The AIs will soon surpass human capability. Even in the present, I think some AI comments are already decent quality. It's just most of them aren't high quality yet . And I'm worried banning AIs altogether will eventually lead to some form of prove-you-are-human verification to use the site, which will reduce anonymity. Even some…

> The AIs will soon surpass human capability.

The rule can be revised later.

> I'm worried banning AIs altogether will eventually lead to some form of prove-you-are-human verification to use the site, which will reduce anonymity.

Of all the sites on the Web to worry about this happening, HN is low risk. Oppose that change if it comes, not this one.

> And there is a legitimate use for LLM rewrite to counter identification by stylometry

Source for comment-level stylometry ever actually being someone's downfall, despite availing themselves to every other much more standard defense measure? Regardless, if your experimental means of deanonymizing yourself comes at the expense of the site's quality, it is probably not welcome.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#847

For quite a while, I like use LLM to refine and fix my grammar issue, but my colleagues and professors reminds me that it was way too obvious. They said they can tolerate some mistakes in my words, but no tolerance for AI generated content.

Forrest would be so silent if only the best birds would sing.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#848

The most telling sign of a human commenter is brevity. Consequently, I hardly ever spend the time to write out long and detailed HN comments like I used to in the pre-LLM era. People nowadays have a much harder time believing that an Internet stranger is meticulously crafting a detailed and grammatically-airtight message to another Internet stranger without AI assistance.

Not quite. Brevity is more like a modern virtue, not an absolute sign of human-ness. Often longer sentences are necessary to express comprehensive logic more tightly. TBH, these days I feel like being penalized by the rise of LLM because my writing style used to be a bit similar to that of LLM, which emphasizes accurate logical connection (not that its logic is reliable), uses em-dashes (yes, I did use it tho I had to stop), and includes a bit of mumbling.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#849

We've all heard the phrase "the sum of all human knowledge". I've been feeling more and more that generative AI represents the average of all human knowledge. Which has its place. But a future in which all thought and creativity is averaged away is a bleak one. It's the heat death of thought.

If you want a more accurate measure then you should subtract "the sum of all human ignorance" before taking the average.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

#850
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For quite a while, I like use LLM to refine and fix my grammar issue, but my colleagues and professors reminds me that it was way too obvious. They said they can tolerate some mistakes in my words, but no tolerance for AI generated content.

As a non native speaker, I sometimes use LLMs to search for a way to formulate my thoughts like I intend them to be received by the reader. I'd never just copy the verbatim LLM output somewhere, it always sounds blunt and not like me, but I gladly apply grammar corrections or better phrasing. I'd normally not do this for a text of this length, but just for fun, here's what ChatGPT suggests: As a non-native speaker, I…

As a non native speaker, I can even sense the little differences between these two.

I have answered something similar before, I struggle on sending messages as I want them to be received, with AI it is even harder, the "taste" of my thoughts, how I like to express, the habits of the phrasing or wording, get lost completely.

So I just never "AI" my content.

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