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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by einpoklum »

roenxi wrote: post #41
9rx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resource allocation is entirely a social construct. Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it. Even if a magical unicorn were to step in and start distributing resources perfectly, solving that particular problem, if humans can't even get something as simple as resource allocation right, why are you so sure they won't also screw up everything else to…

> Resource allocation is entirely a social construct. Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it. That can't exactly be true, because scarcity is a physical limit. If there is exactly 1 apple, it is impossible for 2 people to eat it. That is no social construct. There is a large social element involved, but that in itself is done in such a way as to tr…

> That can't exactly be true, because scarcity is a physical limit.

Indeed, but - human productive capacity has become so vast, that the only way for there to be scarcity is for it to be artificially maintained.

> The natural human instincts are beyond terrible at allocating resources

Disagree, in the sense that a lot of what we consider "natural" is the result of social circumstances, emphasizing or encouraging the expression of some sentiments and tendencies over others. In other words, "natural" is usually rather artificial.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by tracerbulletx »

JohnFen wrote: post #2

> If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired? For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

Listen it does suck, but I dont think this is really true. A lot of the best places to work treat candidates like subhumans before they are welcomed into the fold and then suddenly you're making 300k+ doing interesting work with incredible people and treated great, (until they're done with you at some point)

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by tombert »

czscout wrote: post #78
tombert wrote: post #66

Six years ago, I applied for a job that made me record ten five-minute videos answering their questions. It was a colossal pain in the ass, and I wasn't allowed to go back and retake. I'm not actually talking to a human, so my rambling nature kind of took over, and don't know if I really ever answered the questions because I didn't have any ways of clarifying the questions and "course correcting". They never got back…

Yeah, I wasted probably 40 hours of my life on Canonical's interview process and never even got to talk to a person. They wanted to know my high school GPA and ACT score.

They wanted to know my high school grades and ACT, and they also made me write a nine page essay about skills that have been impactful to me.

Then they made me take some weird IQ test thing, and then they wanted me to take another one. I was genuinely starting to get kind of worried that they were going to make me talk about my astrology sign, so I eventually just emailed them saying that this is all stupid and I don't want to continue.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by hunterpayne »

bbkane wrote: post #13
nitwit005 wrote: post #8

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To me the issue isn't seeming inhuman, but cost. Employers often seem happy to impose rediculous time costs on the people they're hiring: take home tests, long series of interviews, etc. What held that back is they also paid a price. Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.

Employers are also inundated by applications so they're applying higher bars to meet as a sort of back pressure. I hate it from the candidates' perspective, but it's not illogical from the employer perspective. No, I don't know how to fix it.

And why would this be the case? Maybe the solution is to ban AI from the hiring process. This seems like companies being hoisted by their own petard. This is because they are the ones who drove the hiring market to be this way. They are the ones who started using AI in the hiring process. They are the ones who decided to make applying so much work driving applicants to use AI to survive.

Also, if you are having trouble hiring right now, that is 1000% a skill issue. It is easier to hire good talent right now than ever before. So I have absolutely 0 sympathy for this POV. Go down to your HR department if you want to see who is at fault.

PS You fix it by charging $1 to apply for jobs. Took me all of 30 seconds to figure that one out.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by hunterpayne »

tayo42 wrote: post #79
singleshot_ wrote: post #65

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This sounds an awful lot like a college diploma.

Colleges aren't all equal. Professional certifications are different

Professional certifications have a terrible reputation for good reason. You are perhaps too young to know why this is a silly idea. But its been tried and it failed spectacularly.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by YesBox »

nitwit005 wrote: post #8
JohnFen wrote: post #2

> If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired? For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

To me the issue isn't seeming inhuman, but cost. Employers often seem happy to impose rediculous time costs on the people they're hiring: take home tests, long series of interviews, etc. What held that back is they also paid a price. Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.

Applicants are using AI too. I've heard from people who hire/post jobs that they gets hundreds to low thousands of applications, and maybe 5% of them have any relevant experience. The problem is the breakdown of trust is costing all of us.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by janalsncm »

roenxi wrote: post #41
9rx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Resource allocation is entirely a social construct. Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it. Even if a magical unicorn were to step in and start distributing resources perfectly, solving that particular problem, if humans can't even get something as simple as resource allocation right, why are you so sure they won't also screw up everything else to…

> Resource allocation is entirely a social construct. Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it. That can't exactly be true, because scarcity is a physical limit. If there is exactly 1 apple, it is impossible for 2 people to eat it. That is no social construct. There is a large social element involved, but that in itself is done in such a way as to tr…

The amount of resources is not a social construct but how they are distributed is.

The mean American has a net worth of $620k. The median American net worth is $192k.

The global mean net worth is $95k. The median is $9k.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by robotnikman »

robotswantdata wrote: post #39
robotnikman wrote: post #23

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>The best tactic is to avoid the formal process, whether it's applying via the company website, or swiping right on a profile. Instead use an inside source, an employee you know at the company you are interested in, or a mutual friend who can play matchmaker in dating. As someone on the spectrum this is something I struggle with. I have few but close friends, and only 2 of them work in tech; neither of their companie…

Meetups for special interests / tech adjacent fields. Go to more company events for the tech you use. The other factor is finding “high elo” people with influence that can help you if you live in a “low elo” area. You’ll have to go to the “high elo” areas more often to increase chance of a better match.

Maybe I should look into events being held in 'high elo' areas. Downtown Phoenix is not too far from where I live, maybe I should check there.
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