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Re: Searching for the Agentic IDE

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For now, there's simply no convention or established pattern for this yet. Given that, the speed of change, and the lower barrier of creation now, it's almost always better to create your own for this.

Using someone else’s software in the exploration phase is like chewing someone else’s gum.

Re: Searching for the Agentic IDE

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VSCode + any LLM plugin solves all the problems for me. Keep it simple.

That gives you a chatbox tacked onto an IDE, not exactly an agentic command center. Cursor gets close. But it’s hard to work on multiple things at once, or across multiple codebases.

IMO, the answer is remote container environments like Codespaces, Coder, DevPod, etc. (dev containers)

We are moving into Codespaces now and it basically gives us an isolated full runtime env with Docker-in-Docker running Postgres. Developers had been trying various things to script worktrees, dealing with jank related to copying files into worktrees, managing git commands to orchestrate all of this, and managing port assignments.

Now with dev containers, we get a full end-to-end stack that we start up using Aspire (https://aspire.dev) which is fantastic because it's programmable.

All the ports get automatically routed and proxied and we get a fully functioning, isolated environment per PR; no fiddling with worktrees, easy to share with product team, etc.

A 64GB developer machine can realistically run ~2 of our full stacks (Pg, Elastic, Redis, Hatchet, Temporal, bunch of other supporting services). Frontend repo is 1.5m+ lines of TS (will grind small machines to a halt on this alone). In Codespaces? A developer could realistically work on 10 streams of changes at once and let product teams preview each; no hardware restrictions. No juggling worktrees, branches, git repo state.

I can code from any browser, from my phone, from a MacBook Neo, from a Chromebook. Switching between workstreams? Just switch tabs. Fiddling around with local worktrees for small, toy projects seems fine. But for anything sizable, future seems to be in dev containers.

Re: Searching for the Agentic IDE

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I think Claude Code and Gemini CLI are pretty great as is for terminal usage.

Why are they great? Because it is simply text that I use to interact with them. That's really simple and powerful.

I don't understand why I can't levitate that simple interface into a web UI inside my phone browser?

It feels like this should be as simple as webmux (tmux on the web). But it feels surprisingly elusive.

I would really like something that is a tiny layer on top of the existing great text chat modes.

That way I could use opencode or Gemini or Claude or whatever is next. The less software the better.

Re: Searching for the Agentic IDE

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I don't understand how random thoughts on X are front-page news on Hacker News. If some tech CEO makes a major announcement on X, it's newsworthy and belongs here. Anything else that's actual news is also fair game ... but all other X posts do not belong here!

Karpathy is a notable researcher and broader AI leader. Among many, many other things, he invented the term "vibecoding". He also recently posted his autoresearcher project, which is using a swarm of agents to optimize the LLM training and recently produced a training process that is the fastest to achieve GPT-2-level performance using a very small model.

That's great, he sounds like a great guy ... when he say something newsworthy (on X or anywhere else), it might deserve to be here.

But his random thoughts on X do not.

Re: Searching for the Agentic IDE

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I appreciate Karpathy for thinking out loud like this. We all feel the shift toward orchestration... just haven't seen a UI that fits yet.

I love seeing people experiment with RTS game UIs as agent orchestration interfaces. Mostly demos so far, but there is a ton of creative potential for orchestration UIs.

The biggest challenge is as LLM costs drop dramatically each year, the number of agents able to be orchestrated grows orders of magnitude. So the UI needs to be able to compress this growing information into something meaningful for effective human steerability. A constant moving target.

What's interesting is that the tooling seems to be moving closer to the metal (CLI, APIs, infrastructure) rather than up toward better visual interfaces.

My bet is that the orchestration infrastructure underneath is more durable than any UI layer. I've been building an orchestration system focused on reusable workflows, observability, and feedback loops because I think it's more valuable right now.

Re: Searching for the Agentic IDE

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I've been working on something along those lines (multi-agent orchestration IDE) for the last few months as a personal project. There are also a lot of projects out there approaching this from many different angles. Curious what features people would like to see in an Agentic IDE? Would you like to instruct multiple agents in real time (like vibe coding on steroids) or dispatch autonomous agents to solve a long-runni…

i just dont want to sit at my desk, glued to a screen/phone use keyboard/voice for 8 hrs a day . i want it to be "multimodal"

Re: Searching for the Agentic IDE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Karpathy is a notable researcher and broader AI leader. Among many, many other things, he invented the term "vibecoding". He also recently posted his autoresearcher project, which is using a swarm of agents to optimize the LLM training and recently produced a training process that is the fastest to achieve GPT-2-level performance using a very small model.

That's great, he sounds like a great guy ... when he say something newsworthy (on X or anywhere else), it might deserve to be here. But his random thoughts on X do not .

People implement things based on his "random thoughts" (which are higher-quality than many people's longer-form writings).
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