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Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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I feel like for a 11yo, you can't even explain the risks. Not just for lack of true comprehension, but also just kids shouldn't have to worry about that stuff, and just be kids.

Wut? If they’re using the internet they should be aware of that stuff. That’s what ‘just be kids’ means these days. Just being a kid isn’t a static state of being.

It's no longer safe for children to be unsupervised on the internet.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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> But they are not doing enough to protect children from predators and that's a huge legal and regulatory risk. It's first and foremost a huge risk for kids. My solution is simple: my daughter (11 y/o) can play Roblox but she must be in a game with another friend (whom I know and whom I know her parents) and she must on a video/conf-call with that friend, using another device, while she plays Roblox. That way I hear…

Getting them to accept the normalisation of surveillance while they're young? And then people wonder why authoritarianism is on the rise...

Getting watched by your parents is far different than getting watched by the government. It's no different than parent watching out of the window on kids playing in backyard

> And then people wonder why authoritarianism is on the rise...

It's on the rise because of utter failure of progressive govt to do what people want them to do. People want country to be more prosperous, not to have bleeding heart activists import immigrants or other leftist bullshit. Authoritarian turn is knee jerk reaction to that beacuse they are only ones promising the country for the citizens of the country. If you want less of that, make left that cares about country's people

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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Or RuneScape.

RuneScape millionaires?

There were dozens of ways to make money off of RuneScape back in the day. Selling bot scripts, running bot farms (this is still very lucrative to this day), running gambling rings, bulk buying gold and reselling, the list goes on.

The ecosystem was incredible and it was basically a crash course in Anarcho-capitalism, I'm pretty immune to any kind of scam because of having been in that environment.

I made close to 20 grand as a 16 year old through some bug abuse, over the course of 2 weeks if I recall. But alas, I blew it pretty quickly because easy come, easy go.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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RuneScape private servers used to bring in tons of money. I helped manage one when I was in my early teens, and I can confirm the owner (who was only a few years older than I) was bringing in mid six-figures annually. Then of course there was the rampant gambling. The founders of online casino Stake and streaming platform Kick both started their “careers” in RuneScape gambling. IIRC they invented “staking” which was…

Staking was a built in feature of RuneScape in the duel arena before it was removed. They did not "invent" it themselves.

They did run a dicing clan as well, FWIW, although I doubt they were the first to do it.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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post #123

Roblox turns a blind eye to child exploitation (whether being creeped on by adults, or being exploited by teens/adults to make games) and makes a fortune out of it. If it weren't online, it'd be illegal and people would be in jail. Also, Roblox's favourite thing - other than sitting back and rolling in the cash that their playerbase generated for them - is puff pieces in the news talking about how people who make gam…

> Robux - has very, very different exchange rates, depending on whether you want to buy Robux from the company, or you want to get a payout and convert your Robux to real money. Wtf? That should not be legal.

The best you could hope for is regulation of the delta or maybe enforcement of markets. The problem is really that such abuse is a kind of debt bondage, you have no other choices but essentially the Roblox company store.

It’s a newish form of the same abuse due to the nature of tech, game addiction, and the decay of culture and society; but it’s also why society has not developed a response against that particular practice any more than the corrosive and addicting nature of “games” that are essentially not much different than gambling, only more legal and across a wider user base.

I have a theory that much of the gambling industry in the USA has atrophied because the “investors”, aka, the corrupts and rotten people of the gambling industry that are/came from organized crime, have moved into “gaming”. I have specific reason to believe that was a general trend beyond specific cases. For example, people who’s job was to develop extremely addicting slot machine “games” both visually and in their manipulation of addiction patterns, i.e., how to push and milk someone to the limit before they can be pulled back into the gamblers fallacy.

But now I’ve gotten way off topic…but not really. It’s all dark, evil patterns; using game addiction to exploit the capture through debt bondage.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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Roblox turns a blind eye to child exploitation (whether being creeped on by adults, or being exploited by teens/adults to make games) and makes a fortune out of it. If it weren't online, it'd be illegal and people would be in jail. Also, Roblox's favourite thing - other than sitting back and rolling in the cash that their playerbase generated for them - is puff pieces in the news talking about how people who make gam…

CEO of Roblox was once asked whether he would ever put prediction markets inside Roblox, he gave a straight face answer: https://youtu.be/XpIXRgMlPo4?t=2122

Jesus Christ. This man is just a sociopath who doesn't bother to mask anymore.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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post #50

"According to the company, their monthly player base includes half of all American children under the age of 16." - Wikipedia 2 decades in the making, they are really hitting their stride. But they are not doing enough to protect children from predators and that's a huge legal and regulatory risk.

> But they are not doing enough to protect children from predators My understanding is that the recent improvements are face scans, and communication limited to people within a few 4 year windows. They've also increased moderation of chat significantly, especially for the lower age windows. What low hanging fruit do you see? What's the "ideal" system? Seems like a hard problem, if any sort of cooperative communicatio…

I realize people may find this controversial, but from personal experience with gaming, I see all of these types of games as “predators” in and of themselves when they are “monetized”, because they are deliberately and explicitly exploiting the addicting nature of games in general, by being and manipulating a freebase of dopamine and serotonin just like the gambling industry does/used to.

If we survive this era with an intact advanced civilization, I believe people will look back on this period and “games” as an insane thing to permit, let alone facilitate and perpetrate upon one’s own children, the next generation, the offspring necessary for survival of a life form, species, race, society, or culture.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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post #25

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See this is why I think the whole age verification thing is backwards. If you want to create child friendly spaces then you need to verify someone's age is under 18, 16, 13 etc.. That's a way more real and tangible harm than a teenager looking at a nudie mag.

Please check this box to confirm that you do _not_ possess a government issued photo ID ... Sorry, in order to use this service you will need to visit your local police station and have them verify that you are in fact a child ... Yeah I'm not seeing how this is supposed to work. I don't think age verification solves very many real world problems. (It does mitigate some, such as alcohol consumption. Just not most.)

Enforce parental control (with a verified adult account for the parent) for all child accounts.

The parent will input the real birthdate of their child, or it's their responsibility if the child encounters anything not age appropriate.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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"According to the company, their monthly player base includes half of all American children under the age of 16." - Wikipedia 2 decades in the making, they are really hitting their stride. But they are not doing enough to protect children from predators and that's a huge legal and regulatory risk.

It sounds like, from this thread, that it's Roblox themselves who are the predators.

Re: Roblox is minting teen millionaires

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Getting them to accept the normalisation of surveillance while they're young? And then people wonder why authoritarianism is on the rise...

Getting watched by your parents is far different than getting watched by the government. It's no different than parent watching out of the window on kids playing in backyard > And then people wonder why authoritarianism is on the rise... It's on the rise because of utter failure of progressive govt to do what people want them to do. People want country to be more prosperous, not to have bleeding heart activists impor…

Still, at some point you do have to give some privacy to your kids. I know the trend is helicopter parenting but it's not helping the kid to be overprotecting.
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