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Yann LeCun raises $1B to build AI that understands the physical world

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Re: Yann LeCun raises $1B to build AI that understands the physical world

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Post by lee »

Oras wrote: post #58

> But this is not an applied AI company. There is absolutely no doubt about Yann's impact on AI/ML, but he had access to many more resources in Meta, and we didn't see anything. It could be a management issue, though, and I sincerely wish we will see more competition, but from what I quoted above, it does not seem like it. Understanding world through videos (mentioned in the article), is just what video models have a…

In an interview, Yann mentioned that one reason he left Meta was that they were very focused on LLMs and he no longer believed LLMs were the path forward to reaching AGI.

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

ml-anon wrote: post #168
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #11

Justifiable. There are a lot more degrees of freedom in world models. LLMs are fundamentally capped because they only learn from static text -- human communications about the world -- rather than from the world itself, which is why they can remix existing ideas but find it all but impossible to produce genuinely novel discoveries or inventions. A well-funded and well-run startup building physical world models (ground…

Honestly, how do people who know so little have this much confidence to post here?

Care to explain what led to this reaction?

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Post by lugu »

jacquesm wrote: post #312
lugu wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response contains a performative contradiction: you are asserting that humans are naturally logical while simultaneously committing several logical errors to defend that claim.

This comment would be a lot more useful with an enumeration of those logical errors.

commenter’s specific claim—that adding a note about the definition of "if" would solve the problem—is a moving the goalposts fallacy and a tautology. The comment also suffers from hasty generalization (in their experience the test isn't hard) and special pleading (double standard for LLM and humans).

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Post by rockinghigh »

oefrha wrote: post #88
boccaff wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

llama models pushed the envelope for a while, and having them "open-weight" allowed a lot of tinkering. I would say that most of fine tuned evolved from work on top of llama models.

Llama wasn’t Yann LeCun’s work and he was openly critical of LLMs, so it’s not very relevant in this context. Source: himself https://x.com/ylecun/status/1993840625142436160 (“I never worked on any Llama.”) and a million previous reports and tweets from him.

He founded FAIR and the team in Paris that ultimately worked on the early Llama versions.

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Post by rockinghigh »

famouswaffles wrote: post #224
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we didn't see anything. Is it a troll? Even if we just ignore Llama, Meta invented and released so many foundational research and open source code. I would say that the computer vision field would be years behind if Meta didn't publish some core research like DETR or MAE.

You should ignore Llama because by his own admission, >My only contribution was to push for Llama 2 to be open sourced.

He founded the team that worked on fasttext, llama and other similarly impactful projects.

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Post by overfeed »

Oras wrote: post #211
andreyk wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"and we didn't see anything" is not justified at all. Meta absolutely has (or at least had) a word class industry AI lab and has published a ton of great work and open source models (granted their LLM open source stuff failed to keep up with chinese models in 2024/2025 ; their other open source stuff for thins like segmentation don't get enough credit though). Yann's main role was Chief AI Scientist, not any sort of…

I wasn't criticising his scientific contribution at all, that's why I started my comment by appraising what he did. Creating a startup has to be about a product. When you raise 1B, investors are expecting returns, not papers.

> Creating a startup has to be about a product. When you raise 1B, investors are expecting returns, not papers.

Speaking of returns - Apple absolutely fucked Meta ads with the privacy controls, which trashed ad performance, revenue and share price. Meta turned things around using AI, with Yann as the lead researcher. Are you willing to give him credit for that? Revenue is now greater than pre-Apple-data-lockdown

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Post by sbinnee »

So it is a startup? I expected it in fact from his reply to my concern. In my opinions, to explore the unknown, I think an institute like Mila, led by Yoshua Bengio, would have been more fitting. But Yann LeCun's career and his reply to my rant[1] speak for himself. I wonder how he is going to make money. Aside all my concerns, I wish him the best.

> You're absolutely right. Only large and profitable companies can afford to do actual research. All the historically impactful industry labs (AT&T Bell Labs, IBM Research, Xerox PARC, MSR, etc) were with companies that didn't have to worry about their survival. They stopped funding ambitious research when they started losing their dominant market position.

[1] https://x.com/ylecun/status/1951854741534953687

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Post by jccx70 »

YackerLose wrote: post #260

AI is developing backwards. The simplest organisms eat and find food. More complex ones can smell and sense tremors. After several steps in evolution comes vision and complex thought. AIs that can't smell, can't feel hunger, can't desire -- I do not think it can understand the world the way organic life does.

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